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Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Mule Deer #6424120 04/19/12
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,308 Likes: 23 B Blackheart Campfire Ranger
Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,308 Likes: 23	We've had more of the "suck Rugers" in my family. Had being the operative word.

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Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Blackheart #6424162 04/19/12
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Mule Deer Campfire Kahuna M Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 60,219 Likes: 26 Banana Belt, Montana	Bad luck sucks! “Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Mule Deer #6424177 04/19/12
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jwall Campfire Ranger J Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 19,179 Southern Arkansas	M D - I'm sure you've had many more Rugers than I have. I haven't encountered one that wasn't accurate. My first was a tang safety, 243 W. It shot varmint wt bullets and 100 grainers both very well. I have a long time friend that STILL has it. He has killed LOTS of coyotes and deer with it. The only problem I've ever encountered with a Ruger was a 77 in 7 RM. Don't know if it was accurate or not. Another friend bought it brand new. We loaded and chrono'd it and after swapping ALL components, that 7 RM would not beat 270 W velocity. He got rid of it. Other than that I have had no problems with Ruger. I have had a Mk II 22 pistol for many yrs. It's not going anywhere. I also have a SS Laminate stock 10-22 that has a home as long as I live. I DID have a tang safety 77 in 338 WM that kicked SO HARD it was no fun to shoot. It would shoot accurately. 225 gr bullets into 1" or less. It just HURT to shoot it. jwall- * 3100 guy* A Flat Trajectory is Never a Handicap Speed is Trajectory's Friend !!

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Mule Deer #6424205 04/19/12
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Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,308 Likes: 23	Originally Posted by Mule Deer Bad luck sucks! Yeah but I've had good luck with Marlin lever actions and I like them better anyway. I did have an extraordinarily good shooting 3 screw Blackhawk and Mark II target many moons ago but their rifles have generally just sucked for us. My youngest brother still owns a 77 MKII that is thoroughly uninspiring but won't sell it because it was a gift from his FIL. Other than that, no more Rugers in the family and no danger of any new ones entering.

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Blackheart #6424548 04/19/12
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Pharmseller Campfire Outfitter P Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 13,241 Likes: 5 Willamette Valley, Oregon	Originally Posted by Blackheart It's a Ruger. You're supposed to patttern the damn things, not shoot for groups. Yep, Rugers don't shoot for Schitt... P Obey lawful commands. Video interactions. Hold bad cops accountable. Problem solved. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~ Member #547 Join date 3/09/2001

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Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Fraser #6424581 04/19/12
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4th_point Campfire Tracker 4 Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,877 Oregon	Any chance you are canting the No.1 more than your other rifles? And maybe in a way that is not very repeatable? This will make your groups look big and if you happen to hold the rifle just right a couple times you'll get pairs. What type of target? Grids make it easier to have a repeatable cant, even if its not level with the horizon. I've noticed that benches that are not level can also make some people hold their rifle unlevel especially if there's no good reference in the distance. I have used bubble levels on some rifles, but not my hunting rigs. My range bag has a small bubble level in it, the type that you put on string. I put that on my elevation cap if I'm ever in doubt. You'd be suprised how far off you can be sometimes. Last edited by 4th_point; 04/19/12.

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Pharmseller #6424927 04/20/12
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Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,308 Likes: 23	Originally Posted by Pharmseller Originally Posted by Blackheart It's a Ruger. You're supposed to patttern the damn things, not shoot for groups. Yep, Rugers don't shoot for Schitt... P That doesn't prove much. I've killed about a hundred deer with a smoothbore 12 gauge Ithaca model 37 that shot 5 MOA on a good day with it's favorite slugs. Come to think of it that old Ithaca was more accurate than some of the "suck Ruger" rifles I've owned. A couple of 10-22's, a .44 mag. autoloading carbine and a 96/44 in particular come quicly to mind.

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Blackheart #6425100 04/20/12
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BrentD Campfire Outfitter B Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 11,738 MN, WI, IL, MI, KS, GA, AZ, IA	Originally Posted by Blackheart Originally Posted by Mule Deer Bad luck sucks! Yeah but I've had good luck with Marlin lever actions Speaking of Marlins, I've had a lot of vertical groups due to powder position in the case. Save an elk, shoot a cow.

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? BrentD #6425173 04/20/12
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lastround Campfire Tracker Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,519 Western Kentucky	I have owned several Ruger M77s. Tang safety models as well as Mk IIs and have been "lucky" with all of them. They were not benchrest rifles but all would shoot MOA or better with selected loads. I still own a .223 and a .308 that will shoot great. Not a gun writer, but just had to say.... If we live long enough, we all have regrets. But the ones that nag at us the most are the ones in which we know we had a choice. Doug

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? lastround #6425507 04/20/12
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Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? jwall #6426600 04/20/12
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jstevens Campfire Regular J Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,249	Originally Posted by jwall M D - I'm sure you've had many more Rugers than I have. I haven't encountered one that wasn't accurate. My first was a tang safety, 243 W. It shot varmint wt bullets and 100 grainers both very well. I have a long time friend that STILL has it. He has killed LOTS of coyotes and deer with it. The only problem I've ever encountered with a Ruger was a 77 in 7 RM. Don't know if it was accurate or not. Another friend bought it brand new. We loaded and chrono'd it and after swapping ALL components, that 7 RM would not beat 270 W velocity. He got rid of it. Other than that I have had no problems with Ruger. I have had a Mk II 22 pistol for many yrs. It's not going anywhere. I also have a SS Laminate stock 10-22 that has a home as long as I live. You just needed to shove more power to that 7RM. The loading data varies more on one of them than any caliber on earth IMO. I DID have a tang safety 77 in 338 WM that kicked SO HARD it was no fun to shoot. It would shoot accurately. 225 gr bullets into 1" or less. It just HURT to shoot it.

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Reloder28 #6427265 04/20/12
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Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,944 Likes: 3 Deer Park, Tx	Originally Posted by Reloder28 Originally Posted by donsm70 Originally Posted by Blackheart It's a Ruger. You're supposed to patttern the damn things, not shoot for groups. +1 Aint that the truth ?! Honestly, I've owned four or five Rugers over the years since 1977. My first was the Shilen barreled Tang Safety in 220 Swift. What an idiot I was to have sold it. My last Ruger was an All Weather in 280 Remington bought in 2003. I still have it and always will. I have killed a truck load of W.T's with that rifle, as well as both of my daughters. By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Reloder28 #6427288 04/20/12
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Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,308 Likes: 23	Originally Posted by Reloder28 I have killed a truck load of W.T's with that rifle, as well as both of my daughters. What the hell did you kill both of your daughters for ? Are you posting this nonsense from prison ?

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Reloder28 #6427290 04/20/12
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mjbgalt Campfire Ranger M Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 15,785 Likes: 3	you killed both of your daughters with a 280??? teasin ya...read your sentence out loud lol

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Reloder28 #6427301 04/20/12
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rifle Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,720 now in SC	Has anyone ever had a bolt handle come off a Ruger? An extractor fall out on the follower and make you say WTF? Have the trigger go BOOM,when it should be a click...? I'm waiting... And I have photos of targets shot from my Ruger stable....and plenty of dead game ..from around the world. Come on America, Athletes and actors are not heroes, only soldiers, airmen,marines and sailors get that respect�and let's add firemen and LEO's

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? rifle #6427334 04/20/12
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Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,308 Likes: 23	Originally Posted by rifle Has anyone ever had a bolt handle come off a Ruger? An extractor fall out on the follower and make you say WTF? Have the trigger go BOOM,when it should be a click...? I'm waiting... And I have photos of targets shot from my Ruger stable....and plenty of dead game ..from around the world. I've never personally had a bolt handle come off any brand of rifle nor an extractor fall out on the follower. I have chucked Ruger barrels in my lathe and watched them wobble like a drunken sailor though. I've also sent receivers/frames {rifle and revolver} back to Ruger because they were so warped from being dropped from the mould too soon that there was no way to straighten them out by machining. YMMV depending on your luck of the draw "brand carma" of course.

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Blackheart #6427479 04/20/12
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rifle Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,720 now in SC	Possibily with a little warpage these would have gone into one hole..Oh well... Come on America, Athletes and actors are not heroes, only soldiers, airmen,marines and sailors get that respect�and let's add firemen and LEO's

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? rifle #6427503 04/20/12
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Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,308 Likes: 23	Originally Posted by rifle Possibily with a little warpage these would have gone into one hole..Oh well... Just goes to show even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile.

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? Blackheart #6427511 04/20/12
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rifle Campfire Tracker Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,720 now in SC	Well hell the nuts keep falling my way...chit..I thought I was special,like my mama said.. Come on America, Athletes and actors are not heroes, only soldiers, airmen,marines and sailors get that respect�and let's add firemen and LEO's

Re: What causes a rifle to shoot two seperate groups in one string? rifle #6427573 04/20/12
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Blackheart Campfire Ranger B Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 19,308 Likes: 23	Originally Posted by rifle Well hell the nuts keep falling my way...chit..I thought I was special,like my mama said.. .

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