Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Long Range Hunting .277 Matrix Bullets... wow!

Jordan, vacation pay isnt paid out till the end of June, Im mearly checking schit out right now. Ideally Id like to find a 325 WSM that "doesnt shoot" for cheap

Tanner, keep playing around with powders...youll find where you wanna be eventually. Just dont get caught up in finding magic sub 1/2 moa loads...been there..its a waste of time.

I clocked my Wintana at 3300+ with 130 TTSX's accuracy sat around 1-1.25" at 100. What a cool rifle to fug with.

Effin' A Cotton! That's speedy. Mine goes under an inch, and I'm totally content with that. Waputis and deers are pretty large

With your WSM? Im running the 140 berger at about 2975fps out of a regular old .270, I was thinking the WSM would net about 300fps more.

Three posts? And you know what I'll hunt with? LOL! Looks like you created a personna just to have a discussion....somehow I think you been here before..

Sub MOA won't be an issue;hasn't been for years.I won't tell you though...not used to accomodating strangers. Buy a Brux and find out for yourself....

Talk to Matrix about the numbers.

IIRC this is my third 9 twist 270 barrel;along about the same time I had 8.5" 7mm's,and 9" 30's....the first came....oh....30 years ago..for some, I guess this is something new.


But you're right, I don't hunt with Bergers and likely won't use these either but maybe I'll get around to it...Really,I don't care.But I will shoot them.

The 6.5 and 7mm fans who criticize the 270 generally stack the deck, then say the 270 is inferior.....Makes me laugh.....give it the right twist,equivilent bullets,a 26-28" barrel (I guess some actually hunt with those things?! a 6.5 or 7mm on the same case will hold no huge advantage,if anything...this bullet proves that.

Anyone with a loading manual can tell this by comparing "normal" 6.5 or 7mm bullets from a 6.5/06 and a 280....what makes them think that a 270 would not perform right along with either using equivilent high BC bullets? Funny notion.They will tell you, straight faced, the 270 doesn't have the bullets.....well, that's changed.Here they are...

Same case, only .264,.277,.284? If you think about it,there can't be that great a difference except for bullets and twist...Well, here it is.But most people just repeat what they hear...as opposed to actually shooting shidt to find out.So' I'll shoot to find out.

But we had this discussion already.The jury is out.....Jordan and Cocadori ran the numbers on the 165 Matrix and the 170 Berger from the 270 Win......and now we see people are shooting them.Game over....try a 9 twist 270.

But the bullet manufacturers just skipped right over the .277 bore when they iron the suck of the 6.5's and 7mm.

It's like they........... knew things.

Jeff, go back to bed...

What the bullet makers "knew",is it worked fine as a hunting round with the bullets of the day when it came out...and that continues today,taking more game,here and elsewhere, than all the 6.5 and 7mm pets combined.A fact that gives many a lot of heartburn And you know I'm a 7mm fan...

You know exactly what I'm saying....it's all bullets and twist.The bullet issue isn't an "issue" anymore,now....is it?

There something about bullets with a BC of .650 to over .700 that someone doesn't understand? Even I get it,and banging gongs in PNW clearcuts at 1000 yards is only vaguely entertaining to me... You guys are just reticent because your sacred cows just got gored...

Keep groping for a leg up....the "no bullets" argument just got snapped out from under....you should maybe try one.Would it be your first?

No because the 270 was never a target or military cartridge, just one designed as a pure hunting cartridge so what they "knew" was there wasn't a market for high BC bullets like there was in 6.5 and 7mm's.

I should be able to get closer to 3300fps with Magpro, but I am going with the H4831sc load right now because I like that insurance with the temp stability.

Like Bob and I both said, a .65 BC moving 2950 is a .65 BC moving 2950. The only difference now is that the .277 bullets are a bit more expensive, something that'll hopefully change when the MFGs pull their heads out of their arses. The .270s will have less recoil than a big 7(Rem Mag, WSM, STW, RUM) and yeah, probably a bit less reach than one running say a 180 Berger. But, I really think they will run neck and neck with the 6.5s and most 7s at practical long range. There's a reason those guys over at EOL are using the WSM case and the new 170 Berger.

And, IMO, if you can't handle the recoil of a 165gr pill traveling 2950, then pick your purse back up and go home

Has anyone related any experience with the heavier matrix bullets at higher velocities? I still have a few hundred of the 169.5gr wildcats. Fear of running out of bullets has slowed down my shooting of my 270AM, a lot.

I know a guy over at LRH.com has run the 165s up to 3100fps out of his WSM.

It's their origins Jeff;not the bore size.This has been said here before,but the 6.5 and 7mm's existed as military calibers....and among the first smokeless calibers as well.Their "forte" was long, heavy for caliber bullets in both military and sporting configurations,and fast twists to stabilize them.The military heritage insured they'd be used for target work as well...As new cases were developed, the fast twists stuck around

You can look this up by reading about the use of 6.5's and 7mm Mauser in Africa and North America back around and after the turn of the 20th Century.

The 270, OTOH, started out as a high velocity cartridge, lighter bullets at high velocity,and as a hunting cartridge.This actually distinguished it from "other" cartridges of the time.

Why .277? No one seems to really know exactly why.....but there is nothing inherently inferior about it.....it's just twist and bullets....And commonly repeated misconceptions,common usage, and truisms that aren't really "true"..We sure see a lot of that.

Id also like to see a VLD type pill for the 257...it'd make the 25 BEE worth owning. But I think now that the Berger 277 is out hornady and others will follow suite .

I sure as schit hope so. A .277 AMAX would be like Christmas for me.

There already is a VLD pill for the .257 Granted, the 115gr VLD ain't exactly spectacular, and a 125gr A-Max would be a whole bunch of awesome.

It's pretty simple, ain't it, Bob? As a general rule of thumb, as bore diameter goes up, the potential BC values also go up. There really are no "cursed" calibers, it's just that more R&D has been put into designing good, high-BC bullets for some calibers than others.

Agreed! A 125 .257 would be fun as heck out of the 25/06Ack/257Bee/25-284! Seeing a friend hit steel at 1k with a 117GK out of a 25/06 left little doubt in my mind.

Shall we start a petition to Hornady? I'd like .277" goodness first

My 300 wsm spits 150's at 3300 fps on Win 760, my 7wsm shoots 140's about 50fps fast on same. I think I was still around 3250 when I tried 4831. Think you got a bit you can still go tanner. Ps all were book loads too

yeah, I definitely have some more speed to chase.

760 is a ball powder right?

It certainly would! I know of one coyote who felt safe at 942 yards until a 100gr MK from my .25-06 told him otherwise.

A 125gr A-Max would leave the 100MK in the dust...

Fug the 25 and 27 'maxs I just hope my 75's spin in the Minitucky

Loaded some to a kiss last night. Called the steel shop in town, 14"x14"x1" AR400 has been cut for moi and hopefully will be rang tonight!

Jordan, I ordered 200x 68 BTHP's, 200x 75 BTHPs, and 200 7mm Amaxs today Yogi beware...