Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles Rem 700 ADL VS... Weatherby Vanguard

My buddy asked me this question. He is looking at getting a .25-06 and wondered which might be the better shooter.

Howa make all the metal "bits" of the Vanguard. I had a Howa in 270Win 25years ago and, after a bedding job, it shot extremely well.

As a shooter, no difference between them. Just preference of brand name or how it handles or looks on the day I guess.

Toss up, but I'd lean Howa (Weatherby)...

No contest for me.

One is nicely finished, one isn't..
One offers a sub moa guarantee, the other doesn't.

Here's a short range report on an S2 Vanguard in 240 Weatherby.
http://www.aussieferalhunters.com/smf/index.php?topic=5280.0

If those are the only choices I would go with the Vanguard, but I personaly hate their stocks. The cheekpiece just doesn't work for me. Has he actually shouldered those two?

If he is truly a "buddy", I would suggest he look at a Ruger Hawkeye.

Unfortunately, it seems to require a username and password.

That is a toss up. If I planned on making a lightweight some day it would be the 700. If he were to dry fire both it would likely answer his question immediately.


Travis

My apologies, yes it does.

Basically the details are, new S2 in 240 Weatherby, 80gr ttsx, 50grs RL17, three groups of .398, .264 and the last one, .198in.

Anyway you want to look at it, it's pretty impressive for an 'out of the box' rifle.

My son just got a Vanguard in 30-06 and is very happy with it.

Vanguard S2

If we are talking NEW I'd go Vanguard all the way. Rem.'s QC is slacking lately form all accounts I hear.

An Older remington 700 would be the better shooter. When comparing new there is no comparison. The only area a rem trumps a vanguard is in weight and aftermarket options. They also have a large army of gunsmiths willing to charge nicely to get them to shoot like they were supposed to from the factory. Bolt,Reciever and Barrel no comparison.

Vanguard. Feeding machine. I have a series 1 in a Boyd's walnut stock that I free-floated and then threw in a Timney trigger. Thing is scary accurate IN THE WHIPPING DESERT WIND. I haven't shot it at the range since I upgraded it but sure shoots.

Vanguard S2 any day. Well machined & finished, the new stock is very nice in the hands, new trigger is a great improvement imo, single piece bolt handle, and my 240wby is VERY accurate.

It is a slightly weighty rifle - that would be its only disadvanatge to a Rem 700 - but I would rather carry that extra weight any day than carry a poor quality Rem 700.

Have to agree, tossup as far as a shooter and accuracy. I've had both but the post that said they didn't like the stock on the Vanguard was right on with me. Thus, I'd have to say the Rem and for one other reason, there are a lot more easy to find after market options for the Rem or at least that's my experience.

I would go with the weatherby(or better yet right to a howa), but I would probably change the stock out for a hogue.

I have both and like both. I would go with a Howa over a vanguard, just because you're likely to get a rifle with a very good trigger right out of the box.

If lightweight is the goal, 700 all the way.

Remington 700 for me. The only Vanguard I have ever had didn't shoot that good. Yes I could've hunted with it but it didn't group too good. I also had a problem when it came to the last round in the magazine. If I didn't chamber it fast, the round would jump out. Sent it back to the factory and got it back doing the same thing. I put a Timney trigger, and as much as I dislike them also put a muzzle break and it shot even worse after that. Unable to find a load that would shoot to my satisfaction, I sold it to my barber. I spent over $750.00 between rifle, trigger, & muzzle break, and I sold it for $350.00 with bases & rings. I ended up buying a Winchester Model 70 in the same caliber 7mmrm. Very happy with my Winchester. Also have a Remington 700 in 243 and I love it.You can carry everything that could break in a Remington 700 in a bubblegum bag! That was my experience. It doesn't mean that it has been that way for others...I have friends that hunt with the Vanguards and they are very happy.