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I think Kute has a lot more to offer as far as advise and experiance than you do Bushcraft. That really does not mean anything or is it a insult but since you are hating on him its something I must say. Maybe he is not "GO HARD" or a badass crossfit critter slayer but that does not mean he is an idiot. Its sad how this has turned into a personal attack. As for posting up pictures? Why, like he said he has nothing to prove. Its amazing a old guy like Kute can even use a computer, let alone post pictures(sorry,hehe). You dont me see me posting about every animal I get or putting up trophy pictures. Some guys do not feel the need to I guess, others do for whatever reasons.

I've stated the circumstances under which I'd try and possibly use a Kifaru pack, and have repeatedly said that I have no issue with the functionality of their pack. Others on this thread seem to take issue with my taking issue with the original color offering and Kifaru's remedy.

I also don't recall saying that Kifaru packs are a waste of money. I do recall saying there are other less expensive selections that may work less well, as well, or better, and that four of those less expensive options work well enough for me for what I do.

Hey, it's a free country and you are free to choose to believe whatever you want, even if there is ample evidence to the contrary. You are evidently aligned in the camp of blind faithers. Whatever. I'm okay with that if you are.

I'd have a lot more respect for blunt, candid, no-bullshit rhetoric than what you've typed here. That approach would speak highly of you, at least in my eyes. This passive-aggressive stuff not so much. In other words, the loaded, snarky terms are unfortunate. Why? Because they're all I see when I read your post.

I reckon you're the guy with the fanatical bent here. Consider rereading the first line of your signature. I'm just pointing out things that make no sense to me (and still don't, despite your efforts).

In other words the whole, "I hate this company so I'm going to slam it repeatedly" attitude doesn't make much sense to me. (My comments are not directed at Kuteny)

Enlighten us.

I think the original color selection and subsequent selling/offering of remedial window dressing and calling it beneficial is stupid all the way around. I'd go so far as to think the same of the folks who fanatically defend the black coloring and fleece panels.

Note again how I've not criticized the functionality of the pack, nor have I judged the persons who tout the pack as such, as I've not used it. At this time, I can only comment on what I see on the pack, and fleece panels are ridiculous.

Boy-....... I bet the OP'er is really glad that he posted his very simple question in his original post on this thread.

Bet it will make him want to come back to this forum and ask more ?'s from this group. BTW- I see he has given up on responding to this thread a couple weeks ago. Probably smart of him, as he probably could not get in a word edgewise.

Kifaru-Longhunter Rendevous pack came with huge fanfare, had three serious sewing errors, no replacement offered, had to buy new components. Chalked it up to "one of those things" and continued to spend a total of 5K at Kifaru.

Had further QC issues with K-gear, then a major delay when they had a lot of my money for months until a tipi exchange was completed, very poor communication during this time and treated as though I were "lucky" that they were selling me a product.

Next Kifaru deal, paid for items which I was told were "in stock" and would be shipped immediately....they had my money for about three months, were very evasive when I called and when they finally shipped, they told me that they had not had them in stock, as per the original order.

This CS sucked and Kifaru is another "cult" company in my experience with them. Too bad, but, "actions speak louder than words".

I had thought to avoid all of this and there is more, as I see little benefit to any of it, however, there it is. Mystery Ranch packs are better-made than Kifaru packs and the comparative customer service is light years beyond what most of mine from KS was and I did not post all of it, just enough to make my point.

Some, will no doubt, have comments about this, based on friendship with the owner of Kifaru, Smokepole is in that group. Well, whatever, this is not "slamming" anyone, it is simply posting the facts of my experience.

I'm the one with the fanatical bent? Don't think so. You've hung your hat on one thing--black color.

My opinion is, black doesn't matter. I've proven to my own satisfaction that a black pack or black gear makes no difference to the animals. Besides the K-pack, I used to own a pair of black wool pants when I hunted whitetails back east in the mountains of VA. They were the only warm pants I owned so that's what I wore. And I got my buck every year. What can I say, I was young and stupid and just went deer hunting. If I'd known that whitetails were ungulates, it would've made all the difference in the world. I could've gotten my buck every year while wearing stuff that knowledgeable guys approved of.

Not to mention, I could've avoided all firearms that were colored black, what was I thinking?

Your opinion is, the color black will impair a hunter's ability to kill animals, no doubt based on recent, "cutting-edge" research into "how ungulates see." Any time I see the word "ungulates" in a discussion like this, I know I'm in for some really fascinating dialogue.

And I'm the one with the fanatical bent?? That research on how ungulates see is useful though, it's been used to sell a pile of expensive camo. gear.

How about you, how many animals have you spooked with a black pack?

If you're wearing a black pack and spooking animals, most likely it's not the pack.