Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunting Rifles GAP .308 VS. GAP .260....Shootout!

Awesome that the guys made the AllStar Squad. Some of my best memories!

Good to have priorities. We'll wait. Have a happy 4th!

I have no issues with the factory extractor and actually prefer them, they work exceptionally good, but most of the time are not available in the customs, but dimensionally they are far ahead of a 700, the 1 pc bolt handle is nicer than using screws to attach a handle, the top end customs have better bolt timing and extraction surfaces, 8-40 base screws, a pinned recoil lug mostly bells and whistles but you also get consistantcy in my experience, so you pay more and get more!

Glen makes one hell of an action. From looking at the pics of the Templar action, it makes you wonder if that's not whose building them?

I'm having a hard time deciding which length action I want from Glen... It's either a 338 WM or 338 Lapua next custom.

The Templar is basically the same exact action as a Defiance Rebel and both are made by Glen and his crew at Defiance!

Pat, thanks for your time with this thread.

Bump for a great thread and hoping for an update from scenar shooter

IIRC PT&G makes 1-pc bolts for Rems, BUT, having had Rems blueprinted (and one had a bolt handle fail - as in fall off), and also having customs like Stiller and Borden, I personally feel a custom action is a great investment in top tier quality.

Not that many off the shelf actions are not entirely fuctional and reliable, but it's just a sense of satisfaction knowing you have the best.

Those GAPs have a good reputation and many satisfied users no doubt.

+1

Very well put....

"Wolfie", ready for another workout. The wind was out of the southeast at 10mph, with a temp of 66*F. Good conditions to test these rifles.




I shot the .308 first. I wanted 10 shots from each rifle. I held off exactly one MIL for drift. 1.2 would have been better. I finished the group even though I saw it was somewhat right.




Next up was the .260. I held one MIL for drift as well and that was perfect. Kind of expected with a bullet of higher velocity and BC....

I finished with one attempt at a head shot with each rifle, and one shot behind the shoulder from the same distance, after re-painting Wolfie.


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Throat shot with the .308 and the .260 shot clean on both hits.....they both hit perfect on the lung shot.

One thing that was evident, was the deeper impressions with the .260 left on the 3/8 mild steel. They were dug in quite a bit farther.

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Both rifles leave a pretty good mark at 623 yards...

I shot both rifles rapid fire, without letting them cool. I never really saw any real POI changes while I was shooting because of it. My opinion is, a good barrel that is bedded right will shoot well, hot or cold.

Both rifles zero range is 180 meters(elevation turret zero). The .260 had in 2.9 MILS elevation, the .308 had 3.4. Drift was .2 MILS less with 130gr VLD than the 155gr scenar(at 570M).

Wolfie got his butt whooped!

Very true!

But I would have doubted that statement prior to shooting some of your rifles.

Until then I'd never shot a rifle that barrel heat didn't affect somewhat.

Glad to see this thread resurrected!

Nice guns, good shooting.

when i saw that head shot with the .260 on wolfie, i had to laugh--of course you heard the ring of steel come back;

but you are the only other person i know that could describe with an accurate phrase what that sound is like on a real predator when a headshot occurs:

"the sound of a wooden bat hitting a hardball..."

great shooting Pat!

as i promised, i'll call you back soon--got company here through the 15th, so its been hard to get some free time to just visit.

Love the "Wolfie" report. I have been shooting my .308s more, while my .260 has been sitting in the safe. I guess I need to dust it off again.

Bump for a great thread!! Very informative and helpful.

Thanks Pat


ddj

Pat: Are both barrels free-floated?

Scenar, you mentioned the .308 is 6oz lighter. Do you know what the weight of your rifles are with the S&B?

If you're going to spring for a high-end rifle such as a GAP, get a custom action. Defiance/surgeon/nesika etc just feel 'high-quality' MUCH more than a trued 700. If you're looking for a measurable advantage, working the bolt on a custom action often will not bring your rifle off-target near as much as a trued 700. One of the reasons they're so popular in the benchrest crowd.

Slg,

This is a GAP 308 with a Schmidt.

If I remember correctly, Pat's ran about 3 oz lighter than mine due to a slightly smaller barrel contour. Pretty insignificant difference IMO. Roughly the weight of a cartridge or two.

We weighed/compared them during the Spring shoot.

The 6 oz difference is between the 260/308 is due to the larger hole in the barrel(308) weghing less than the smaller hole barrel with the same exterior contour.