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That's kind of what I thought. Heck, if a guy is going to shoot the old timey calibers out of old timey firearms using a BP substitute than use a BP substitute not a watered down white powder substitute.

BH 209 is used mostly in modern inline muzzleloaders. It takes a 209 primer to fire it off.

....whatever the [bleep] THAT means.

I wish you guys would take this " BP Substitute" chit and [bleep] right off.

There ARE other Forums on this place for discussing these interminably STUPID inanities

BH209 is non-corrosive. All other subs (and blackpowder) are highly corrosive.

"I worship the quicksand he walks in."
- Art Buchwald

Just setting the record straight on subs.

I have the old Fart on ignore so I usually don't have any idea of what he said.

I figured you were just setting the record straight. I look at the so-called BP substitutes especially from Hodgdon as just another type of BP. Back in the day, there were dozens of different BP with different qualities. Everybody�s mileage will certainly very.

It's not like subs aren't used in BPCR. So, are we off topic?

APDDSN0864,

The rifling of .32 Specials is also 1-16", much slower than the .30-30's 1-12, which also helps when shooting black powder.

One of the reasons for making the .32 more BP friendly than the .30-30 is that a lot of people didn't want to fool with smokeless reloading in its early years, since some shooters blew up rifles due to not understanding the difference between BP and smokeless. Also, black powder was a LOT cheaper than smokeless for many years, unlike today.

Several years ago I loaded black powder in a Winchester Model 94 .32 Special made in 1952. I tried it both with 170-grain jacketed bullets and a cast SAECO 170 designed for the .32-40. The load was a full case of Goex FFF, and it shot pretty well, though to a very different point of impact than smokeless loads, due to a muzzle velocity of about 1400 fps. The first .32 Special 94's often had flip-up sights (either rear or front) to compensate for the difference in POI.

No if you read the NRA rules the only sub allowed is Pyrodex. I don't recall seeing anybody even near the highscores in any class using the stuff.
I'm also guessing you're not shooting the Colo state sillouette championships at Watkins today, and we probably won't see you on the roster for the Creedmoor at Byers tommorrow?

No you won't, but i'm not sure what that has to do with anything. The only LR shooting i've done is at CAS events.

I'm mostly a hunter, but have a lot of years with Swiss powder. My favorite BP.

Nothing done in CAS even comes close to long range, most of the "long range" targets shot in the single action squib society world are what those of us in bpcr shoot at from offhand position.
I'm still waiting for someone somewhere to use one of the "subs" to at least place in even the "gong" matches....
Might out to trot out to the CRC tommorrow morning and watch the boys go to work on the Creedmoor range. You could learn something...

One more point for your consideration, when you mentioned you've shot more blackpowder than Oops ever will.... For every 4 of your CAS rounds you might come up to the same amount as one of his beloved 45-100 rounds, of which I would hate to think about how many thousands of those he sent down range when he was fully involved with bpcr sillouettes and target rifle.....

I sense some condescending attitude here, and that's putting it lightly. Sort of reminds me of fly fisherman that use bamboo rods. I'm one of those without the attitude.

It's all shooting, and nobody is better than anybody else.

I'm not going to even bother addressing any of your points. I came on this sub forum to help. Not get talked down to.

Yes, and a [bleep]' idiot, to boot, apparently.

Don,....remember when "Big Jim" and I teamed up for that "Great Black Powder shoot Off" series of articles ? ( a few others here will too,.....)

Page after page of SD's, ES's, and all linked to charge weights ?
Swiss, Goex, Schuetzen, and elephant ?

HUNDREDs of pounds of powder got burnt, doing that, and literally TONS of lead were consumed / recovered.
Now some SASS type is beaking off about "Experience" based on weight?

"Mauser Hunter" can go pound sand where the [bleep]' Sun don't shine, ....and ALL of these azzwholes oughta take this "BP Substitute" chit elsewhere.

GTC

Please do not "Bother"

azzwhole

GTC

Minute of Volkswagon Bus accuracy requirements springs immediately to mind.

GTC

Where do these idiots come from?

36,490 posts, and not one of them worth reading.

You must be a teenager.