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Ok gang, for less than 1K money (or darn close) what do you like for factory options in an AR?
I want 223
I want enough barrel length so it won't bark the rest of my hearing
I want a fun rig, that will do work for calling yotes come winter and yet will be fun for my G-kids to work over the steel with.
It will be scoped
I don't want a fat barrel nor a skinny one
And, a darn good factory trigger would be nice
Many thx and fire away with options
Dober
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I've been happy with my Bushmaster. It's a 16" HBAR barrel, sorta heavy, but not like a varminter. Trigger is typical milspec....harsh. It shoots well though. Mine has full length sights and handguard, but carbine gas system. 16" bbl, nott too bad with the compensator. Had a 16" without comp and it was terribly loud. Had it out a few days ago shooting 60gr VMax over W748. Was rolling pine cones off a hillside at 630 yards. I added aftermarket grip, stock, handguards from MagPul. shooting irons,
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Hey Mark, not sure about hitting the 1K price point but here are some factors that may help.....you probably already know them but here goes: 1. Standard DI gas system....less $ and lighter. 2. 16 inch midweight tube 3. Try to get one of the newer lighter weight fore arms instead of the heavier cheese grater style...easier on the hands and saves considerable weight....balances nicer and swings easier. 4. Adjustable butt....it fits everybody in the family.
Bravo Company has a LOT of options....just about makes you dizzy sorting it out.
Call Dave @ Beartooth Cash and Gun here in Billings 406-245-4448...he knows a lot about the AR platforms that are out there.
Finally,,,,,,even my wife who doesn't shoot much really likes the AR.....the adjustable butt stock helps a lot.
Oh yeah......flat top receiver also.
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If its off the shelf and not a build buy a DPMS Orical and top it of with a Vari X II for 1K
It's hard to get a real nice varmint rig for under a K
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That's a lot for a grand considering the trigger. A stock colt 6920 is about 1100. A colt will always hold it's value and they are built better than many you will find in this dollar range. It's carbine gas, the trigger is not good but replaceable, I learned to shoot mine well, it's 5.56 and not 223, and if you get tired of it you can sell it for 900 for as long as you own it. It might even go up in value depending on election. There are black gun builders coming out of the wood works these days, get one that everyone recognizes as good. Colt would be my choice. O and you won't see the front sight at 3x.
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I love 16" carbines but if your hearing is better than mine then you might think it too loud. Shoot one first, lot's of folk complain they're too loud but add 2" to it and all is well. I agree a flash hider doesn't make it any louder and some direct the noise away but any comp/brake is gonna be obnoxious.
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Smith & Wesson M&P have some of the best ARs IMO out of the box before going to the higher end specialty ARs like Daniel, Spikes, Stag, Ect
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That RRA on the classifieds is a sweet deal, but you don't want the fat barrel.. Anyway, I think Sammo is scraping coins out of the sofa for it.
Ifin I were you, I'd look at the RRA Predator Pursuit with the 20" barrel.
You'll need to look around to find it at a thou or less.
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
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The RRA's and S&W's would be my 1st choice. The 20" RRA Coyote is a great out of the box AR but it goes just a little over budget.
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I know it's not "factory" per se, but I'd order an upper from WOA, pick any decent lower outfitted with Magpul furniture, and go to town...
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Clark has the solution IMHO.
Pick the upper carefully, put about what you want for a lower on it.
Custom upper and you probably end up a hair over 1000 total, but you can get close and you'll have a premium upper IE accurate and reliable.
White Oak has been my choice for many years now, the owner is a multiple times civilian champ from Camp PErry and knows his stuff. Started doing the work because he wasn't satisified with the guns he had done by others, and ended up his career.
beware he may not do things that others do, IE if you want to skinny of a tube, and he is afraid it won't be accurate, he'll refuse.
And his work load right now is probably crazy being only 2 months from Nationals.
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BCM, 100%. If you want room for accessory money, Del-ton kits. If you don't want to build, S&W Sport, though IMO you're getting a slightly worse end product.
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Ok gang, for less than 1K money (or darn close) what do you like for factory options in an AR?
I want 223
I want enough barrel length so it won't bark the rest of my hearing
I want a fun rig, that will do work for calling yotes come winter and yet will be fun for my G-kids to work over the steel with.
It will be scoped
I don't want a fat barrel nor a skinny one
And, a darn good factory trigger would be nice
Many thx and fire away with options
Dober You just described the Rock River Arms "ATH" Advanced Tactical Hunter.........one look and you'll be hooked. Mine will be here in a few days!
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I like Spikes Tactical, but than that is no secret.
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I know it's not "factory" per se, but I'd order an upper from WOA, pick any decent lower outfitted with Magpul furniture, and go to town... Yes...
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Clark has the solution IMHO.
Pick the upper carefully, put about what you want for a lower on it.
Custom upper and you probably end up a hair over 1000 total, but you can get close and you'll have a premium upper IE accurate and reliable.
White Oak has been my choice for many years now, the owner is a multiple times civilian champ from Camp PErry and knows his stuff. Started doing the work because he wasn't satisified with the guns he had done by others, and ended up his career.
beware he may not do things that others do, IE if you want to skinny of a tube, and he is afraid it won't be accurate, he'll refuse.
And his work load right now is probably crazy being only 2 months from Nationals.
Jeff Double yes...
- Greg
Success is found at the intersection of planning, hard work, and stubbornness.
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I think Mark has been around rifles enough to know when to ask about factory versus custom.
For his needs and wants in killing soup cans and coyotes, I think there's some pretty good factory offerings out there to suit his parameters.
I replace valve cover gaskets every 50K, if they don't need them sooner...
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I think Mark has been around rifles enough to know when to ask about factory versus custom.
For his needs and wants in killing soup cans and coyotes, I think there's some pretty good factory offerings out there to suit his parameters. I could be wrong but I assumed the same thing.
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I think Mark has been around rifles enough to know when to ask about factory versus custom.
For his needs and wants in killing soup cans and coyotes, I think there's some pretty good factory offerings out there to suit his parameters. Ok - Thanks for the heads up.
- Greg
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yes he has been around long enough... BUT for not much more, IE close to the 1000 buck mark, you can get a better deal... for more or less same money? And more or less within budget. Whats wrong with that.
If I had to go straight factory I'd go RRA for the value today, or I'd buy a lower and put a model one sales upper on it, and probably with loading get it at 1 moa or less too...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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