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Originally Posted by milespatton
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Well,...they're not going to do what you want them to.


I have figured that out. What I want is 0bama gone. Seems more and more like the whole Ron Paul movement was set up to aid 0bama. Reminds me of Ross Perot aiding Bill Clinton gain the White House. Divide and conquer, and all that. miles
It makes little difference whether banker supported Romney or banker supported Obama wins. Might be a little better over the next four years to have a first termer than a second termer (due to concerns, or lack there of, regarding reelection prospects), but not by much. Any degree to which that's a legitimate factor, however, will likely be overridden by the tendency of Republicans in Congress (that body being somewhat less prone to banker manipulation in its electoral process) to resist Democrat presidential initiatives and support Republican presidential initiatives, being that presidential initiatives (given the banker domination of the presidential primary processes of both parties) will always move our nation in a more leftward and globalist direction.


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As Ron Paul says it is a "battle of ideas." Candidates such as Santorum represent that "authoritarian" wing of the "Big R" republican party. It seems to me there are many such "Big R" authoritarian/war mongering folks here at the fire. Romney is a clone of the Bush family - Belief in Big Government solutions, couched with "conservative language window dressing.

Paul has reached out to the under 30 generation like no other candidate before him. True, he is not the Great Communicator, as was Reagan, but he has plowed the south 40 which is now ready to plant by the next leader of personal liberty and limited government.


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Originally Posted by milespatton
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Well,...they're not going to do what you want them to.


I have figured that out. What I want is 0bama gone. Seems more and more like the whole Ron Paul movement was set up to aid 0bama. Reminds me of Ross Perot aiding Bill Clinton gain the White House. Divide and conquer, and all that. miles


You'll have a hard time convincing the Democratic leadership of that. They've been worried sick over the possibility that Ron Paul would take the anti war element away from Obama.

After the Iowa Primary, where Ron Paul pulled 21% of the vote, CNN went on a "slam Ron Paul" marathon that lasted a week.

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Originally Posted by Bristoe

After the Iowa Primary, where Ron Paul pulled 21% of the vote, banker controlled CNN went on a "slam Ron Paul" marathon that lasted a week.
Fixed it for you.

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No, we don't. We make a choice not to participate in a false contest between two sociopathic lairs, justifying it by repeating rationalizations such as "the lesser of two evils" and other such drivel.

Evil is evil, lesser or greater, and actively choosing it is something with which I am finished.


Mike. Get help. There as to be a quality psychologist or two in your area.


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Here's what democrats think about Ron Paul.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002100108

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Originally Posted by Bristoe
Here's what democrats think about Ron Paul.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002100108
That's certainly what the left thinks of him, and the left certainly dominates the Democrat Party, but single-issue anti-war Democrats tended to like him pretty well. As did single-issue anti-War-On-Drugs, and anti-Police-State Democrats.

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You'll have a hard time convincing the Democratic leadership of that.


I see that you missed the divide part of my post. miles


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Let me see if I can explain this to Ya'll. Ron Paul is out of the race. His people keep saying that they will not support Romney. That helps 0bama. I hope that the Ron Paul people are just venting like spoiled brats, but we will see. miles


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Thanks Chris, for the video.


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Originally Posted by Bristoe
I'm still commited to the liberty movement and I will be until my spent carcass represents nothing but a pile of maggot food,...but I'm done with the Paul bunch.

Ron Paul's message is flawless, but his ability to connect is limited.

The young people are on board, but there needs to be a hardass to carry it forward from here on out.

I'll always have the utmost respect for Ron Paul for standing face to face with the knotheads and having his say, but the liberty remnant now needs someone who is much harder to push the message forward.


Yup, yup, and yup.


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Originally Posted by milespatton
Let me see if I can explain this to Ya'll. Ron Paul is out of the race. His people keep saying that they will not support Romney. That helps 0bama. I hope that the Ron Paul people are just venting like spoiled brats, but we will see. miles


Very few of them are going to vote for Romney. That's pretty much a sure bet.

Rand Paul got crucified on the internet for his endorsement of Romney.

The discussion seems to be either write in Ron Paul or vote for Gary Johnson. There's absolutely no talk of voting for Romney.

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I believe that "coming attractions" will do much to propel the liberty movement forward.


Maybe,..but I've been watching the responses of the young Liberty Movement people on line since Rand's endorsement of Romney and a lot of them have given up on politics. The rest are still under the illusion that they can take over the GOP from the inside.

As I've mentioned before, there's 97 million people in the millenial generation and 50 more in gen X.

The vast majority of them have no future.

In a few years I suspect that they're going to stop playing nice.
Bringing America down has been in the plans for a long time. NAFTA and GATT, for example, were designed to send our manufacturing base overseas before the economy imploded at home as planned. The financial elite (technocrats) have been plotting one world dictatorial government since before WWI, which couldn't be accomplished so long as America was prosperous and independent. They've been out in the open about it. Every major development in geopolitics, monetary policy, etc., since then has moved us a step closer to it. It's all as old as the hills.

Read Chapter XV (15) of The Road To Serfdom, written during WWII. It's discussed in depth, not as some mysterious "conspiracy theory," but as a matter of fact well understood by the world's financial elite, and everyone else who was well informed about the goals of the world's banking, technocratic, elite.

WWI was supposed to bring it about in its aftermath, but overwhelming popular disapproval in the United States put a stop to it, so The Great Depression and WWII were arranged, further increasing and centralizing government power in the US, the more easily to influence it through corruption towards the ultimate goal of despotic world government under the direction of the banks.


I don�t have to read The Road to Serfdom I studied the founding of the second Nation State. This was planned from day one. The whole purpose of the founding of the second Nation State was one world government. One world government has been the dream since the founding of the Roman Empire.


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We make a choice not to participate in a false contest between two sociopathic lairs,


If you are not part of the solution, then you are part of the problem. Lets get 0bama out this time and work on Romney, by getting someone better, next time. It is the only chance we have of making this country better. miles


I've been doing that and practicing that philosophy since I started voting when I turned 21. It hasn't worked and will never work.


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I don�t have to read The Road to Serfdom I studied the founding of the second Nation State. This was planned from day one. The whole purpose of the founding of the second Nation State was one world government.
Certainly the desire by the elite international banking families for world geopolitical domination was substantially in play at that time. No doubt about that. A. Hamilton was their man in the United State Government, for sure. He was a "bought and paid for" banker asset on the inside from day one. But we digress.

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Originally Posted by milespatton
Let me see if I can explain this to Ya'll. Ron Paul is out of the race. His people keep saying that they will not support Romney. That helps 0bama. I hope that the Ron Paul people are just venting like spoiled brats, but we will see. miles


Obama will get four more years. I will not vote for the lessor of two evils.


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Let me see if I can explain this to Ya'll. Ron Paul is out of the race. His people keep saying that they will not support Romney. That helps 0bama. I hope that the Ron Paul people are just venting like spoiled brats, but we will see. miles


Very few of them are going to vote for Romney. That's pretty much a sure bet.

Rand Paul got crucified on the internet for his endorsement of Romney.

The discussion seems to be either write in Ron Paul or vote for Gary Johnson. There's absolutely no talk of voting for Romney.


DITTOS! I will write in Ron Paul. Four more years for Obama.


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DITTOS! I will write in Ron Paul. Four more years for Obama.


That seems to be what the Ron Paul movement was about from the beginning. I hope they take your guns, but I sure hope they leave mine alone. Anybody that helps the muslim deserves to have their schit confiscated. miles


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Originally Posted by mike762
No, we don't. We make a choice not to participate in a false contest between two sociopathic lairs, justifying it by repeating rationalizations such as "the lesser of two evils" and other such drivel.

Evil is evil, lesser or greater, and actively choosing it is something with which I am finished.


Mike. Get help. There as to be a quality psychologist or two in your area.


Get help? I'm not the one deluding myself about exactly what and who the candidates are. You however seem to be willing to elect pathological liars and pat yourself on the back for doing so. That tells me that you and your fellow traveler's are the one's needing "professional help". Seeing the hot mess that people such as yourself have made of the state where you reside, I'd think twice before giving anyone else political or psychiatric advice.


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Here's why I won't vote for Romney,...John Bolton.


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