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Firearms44 and I did some .35 shooting today. He brought a custom Remington Model Seven with 20" stainless barrel and I brought a Ruger Frontier with a 16.5" barrel. Chronoed the old Winchester 200 grain Silvertip and the new Hornady 200 Spire Point...

Hornady 200:

16.5"... 2352/2357

20"......2361/2449/2445



Winchester 200:

16.5".....2360/2401

20".......2464/2281/2373

We were trying to conserve ammo and just wanted to shoot enough to get a ballpark area what the velocity was since it will shoot differently from different rifles anyway...

From a 22" barrel the Hornady load should be doing about 2525 fps....I'm going guess the Winchester will be about the same.

In checking my reloading data for the Frontier:

51 grains of 748 w/220 Speer FP......2210 @ 80* (2170 @ 50*)

Killed a large doe with this load so even though it is slow it got the job done one could "eat right up to the hole" on both sides.....


Bob

Sold a Ruger 77 a few years back w/ 22" barrel that would run 225 Partitions in the mid to upper 2400 fps range without a lot of trouble. 250 Hornady spitzers were about 100 fps slower. Your numbers seem consistent with that, given the barrel lengths you're working with.

Thanks for the info RJM, how is the recoil on the Ruger Frontier?

Just as an FYI... Reloder 7 pushes 200's well over 2600 fps from my 20" barrel. TAC is supposed to do the same. TAC gives me an easy 2500 fps with the 225 Partition with (here's no good part) no powder compression to speak of.

I'm really hoping the new .35 cal 200-gn Accubond comes out soon.

Has anyone tried the 225 Accubonds? Trying to decide what good bonded bullets to load up for my 358 BLR.

Thanks

They'll be problematically long methinks.

.......RJM,,,,,,,,Doing the math by adding up your velocities and then dividing accordingly, the 200 gr Hornadys from your Frontier averaged 64 fps behind the Remy 7 or 18.28 fps less (per inch) of shorter barrel length.

Using the Winchester 200s and going by your #s, the average is surprisingly much closer averaging only an 8 fps total difference between both barrel lengths. Throwing out your low figure of 2281 fps from the 20" barrel, the average reduction then becomes a total of 38 fps or 10.85 fps per inch.

Another two of the same rifles will probably get somewhat different results but nevertheless, here is another example that when shooting the same ammo, reductions of between 15 to 20 fps per inch of shorter barrel length is very true and very realistic.

Vs the longer 24" barrels and shooting the same identical ammo, my Frontier ran 16.4 to 19.5 fps (per inch) behind.

Mild.... The short stock and hard rubber recoil pad don't really seem that bad but with a slipon Limbsaver pad it is nothing. From sitting with a sling I hit a steel gong at 200 yards at the range 2/2 yesterday...but the gong is pretty big..

Ken gave me a Boatpaddle stock for it yesterday so I am going to try it and see if it makes any difference.

Bob

Thanks Jeff O, I was hoping they wouldn't be too long... already knew I couldn't with my 350 Rem Mag... sadly.

The recoil was mild with my BLR. I thought it would be hefty considering how light it is and the stock design.

The fact that the ruger shooting nearly as fast as a 20" could be due to it is a hammer forged barrel. I know that Polygonl rifling is common is CHF barrels. Because the rifling is not cut into the dia. the bullet actually swags and has less gas escapeing around the bullet as it travels the barrel. less loss of gas is more to push the projectile and thus less of a velocity loss.
I have a 20" barrel that shoots GM308M at just over 2550 MV. Out of a 26" remington the same lot shot just at 2650 MV.

I do think "too long" is tied to velocity in this case (bad, bad pun)... if you will accept 2200, 2300 fps it's probably ok. If you want 2500 fps there's gonna be problems with COAL restrictions and case capacity etc.

I've killed enough deer with the 225 Partition to know that while it's a good deer bullet, just a little more explosiveness & fragmentation would be nice. Perhaps the 200-NAB will give us that, with a decent enough BC to not cripple the cartridge like the 200 Horn SP does. That's the hope anyway.

(another thought about the 225 NAB: a guy could remove the tip and save ~.10".... I've considered doing that.)

The Sierra 225gr Game King and the 220gr Speer FP are great deer and black bear bullets at 358Win velocities. I wouldn't be afraid to use them on elk also. As stated, 2450fps is easily attained with both the 225gr SGK and Partition.

The 225gr Accubond is too long for the 2.80" max BLR magazine. Maybe TAC will allow you to get up near 2400fps.

I wish Speer would make a 225gr Deep Curl for the 35cals.

I shot a couple of whitetail does with the 220 grain Speer FP from a 20" Marlin 336 that has been rechambered from 35 to 356 and found them to be "too tough", producing through/through penetration without a lot of expansion. On similar sized deer, the 180 grain Speer FP expanded more and has proven to be a quicker killer. If I was going to use either of the Speer FPs, I'd load the 220s for larger/tougher game and the 180s for smaller, more lightly constructed, game like deer and antelope.

Jeff

Have to concur with 260...those Speer 220s are a very tough bullet. The one from the Frontier that took out the doe hit her broadside and square as her two front legs came together. The bullet entered about 2" into the rear of the front left leg, went throgh both lungs and the exited in the exact same place on the right leg. She bucked, turned a 180 and ran for about 35 yards before dropping....almost no meat damage at all.

A friend hit a 380 pound black bear from an elevated stand. The bullet went through the upper shoulders, down through the lung and heart and was found nicely expanded under the skin of the chest...and that was out of a Remington 673 .350 RemMag with a 22" barrel with a muzzle velocity of 2690 fps...





My friend killed 4 black bear with the Speer and all were one shot drop at the shot kills...

This my favorite .350 Mag bullet as it is tough and cheap.... I flattened a large running deer with one from a Model 600 and the deer could not get to the ground fast enough....


This site has a lot of good expansion tests of .35 bullets used in the .35 Rem and .358....

http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/b...ullet-performance-part-ii-handloads.html
Bob

These are the lungs from last year's buck, about 50 yards with a 225-NP out of my .358. MV right at 2500 fps.

I'd like to see a little more jelly'ing and so on. That said the meat damage with this bullet is minimal.

One of these days I'm going to go the .358 route again. I let one of the Ruger Frontier rifles get by me here on the classifieds a few years back and have regretted it ever since.

Any comparisons or improvement between the hornady 200 SP and the newer 200 FTX ?

When contacted Hornady stated the FTX would be fine at 2500 - 2600 velocities .

Have done some accuracy work with these but have not drawn blood with the FTX .

Funny about that. I've had several over the years, only to sell it off then down the road buy another.

I got a VG deal on a BLR a couple yrs ago and sold it to a fellow I work with. Now I "need" another. New barrel ordered last week.

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From what I have read the Hornady 200 Spire Point is as tough a bullet as the Remington 200 Spire Point for the .350 RemMag...it doesn't open up real rapidly.

http://35cal.com/35bullet_study/35bullet_study1.html

I would hope that the FlexTip being made for .35 Remington velocities would do better....

Bob