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I've seen all the high end stuff, with my own eyes, in the field. I'm not talking out my azz like you are. S&B is first rate stuff no doubt. Victory's are first rate stuff too.
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S&B is first rate stuff no doubt. Your wrong about alot of things. But your right about S&B. dave
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S&B is first rate stuff no doubt. But your right about S&B. dave Like what? Some of the things you post are as laughable as E's.
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Not sure which 4-16 you have.
I have a 4-16x50 PMII.
Only scopes that will hang with it when the light gets low is another S&B.
dave Guess again........ Nothing to guess, it is simply the thruth. I have S&B, US Optics and Zeiss and the S&B's are the best in my eyes especialy in low light. The US Optic and the Zeiss Davari 6X24 are very good, but in low light the S&B blows them away. End of story
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Are these S&B's almost as good as a Leupy 6x42 ?
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Are these S&B's almost as good as a Leupy 6x42 ? Maybe he means 6-24X.
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Are these S&B's almost as good as a Leupy 6x42 ? Maybe he means 6-24X. Exactly, 6X24X56 to be precise
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Every time I read where a S&B "blows everthing away including other high end optics", or vice versa, I have to laugh. If a guy were honest about it, and most aren't, if you could cover the logo and look through them side by side, you'd never know the difference between a S&B, Victory, Z6, or Leica's latest and greatest, and even a VX6/VX7. At least I haven't been able to.
Everytime I hear this crap I'm reminded of a mule deer hunter we had a couple of years ago. It was post dusk, and we were looking at a 185 class buck at about 400 yards. He had a S&B with that circle reticle (not sure what they call it), a 3-12x50 classic I believe. We had my buddy's 7STW with an older VXII 3-9x40 with us. We could of easily made that shot with either scope, out to legal shooting. Was the S&B brighter? Of course, but not "blows everything away" brighter.
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Are these S&B's almost as good as a Leupy 6x42 ? I had a Summit that was fantastic. I also had a 6x42 FX3 at that time. The S&B was little, if any brighter at dark thirty, to my eyes anyway.
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Obviously you guys have looked through a lot more top end scopes than I, but the most obvious thing I see through my S&B is not just great light, but razor sharp resolution, and the best color and contrast I have ever seen. Nothing I have looked through before matchs it.
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At least I haven't been able to. There is the key ! You think everyone sees the same as you do. That truly is like the teenager I worked with in the mill. If he didn't think it, it couldn't be so. My Nightforce (56mm) "'blows everything away' brighter" without a doubt. This is based on side by side comparison by at least three men age 23, 44, and 67. The other scopes were Swarovski z5 (52mm) and Bushnell 6500 (50mm) and Minox 13X56 binoculars.
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I'm not overly impressed with the NF glass. I've seen lots of them too. Good, but not great, and not as bright as my VX6.
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Obviously you guys have looked through a lot more top end scopes than I, but the most obvious thing I see through my S&B is not just great light, but razor sharp resolution, and the best color and contrast I have ever seen. Nothing I have looked through before matchs it. The best of Zeiss is very good. To my eyes, S&B is the best. Always has been. The darker the better. dave
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Every time I read where a S&B "blows everthing away including other high end optics", or vice versa, I have to laugh. If a guy were honest about it, and most aren't, if you could cover the logo and look through them side by side, you'd never know the difference between a S&B, Victory, Z6, or Leica's latest and greatest, and even a VX6/VX7. At least I haven't been able to.
Everytime I hear this crap I'm reminded of a mule deer hunter we had a couple of years ago. It was post dusk, and we were looking at a 185 class buck at about 400 yards. He had a S&B with that circle reticle (not sure what they call it), a 3-12x50 classic I believe. We had my buddy's 7STW with an older VXII 3-9x40 with us. We could of easily made that shot with either scope, out to legal shooting. Was the S&B brighter? Of course, but not "blows everything away" brighter. We have done side by side comparisons and thw S&B wins. The resolution and clarity combined with the better lowlight ability makes them simply the best and worth the price of admission when the chips are down
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Which S&B, and what did you compare it with side by side?
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S&B is first rate stuff no doubt. But your right about S&B. dave Like what? Some of the things you post are as laughable as E's. You gonna give examples or were you just talking out your azz again?
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Which S&B, and what did you compare it with side by side? Not sure which 4-16 you have.
I have a 4-16x50 PMII.
Only scopes that will hang with it when the light gets low is another S&B.
dave Guess again........ Nothing to guess, it is simply the thruth. I have S&B, US Optics and Zeiss and the S&B's are the best in my eyes especialy in low light. The US Optic and the Zeiss Davari 6X24 are very good, but in low light the S&B blows them away. End of story Are these S&B's almost as good as a Leupy 6x42 ? Maybe he means 6-24X. Exactly, 6X24X56 to be precise 5X25X56 PMllS&B, 4X16X42 S&B PMll, 3X12X42 PH, 2X10X42 S&BSummit, 3.8X22X44 US Optics, 6X24X56 Divari Zeiss, 3.5X16X50 Nightforce Varminter, 3.5X15X50 NXS, Zeiss Conquest 3.5X10X50 What have you done?????
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Don't think these guys got my original joke..
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To my eyes, the Schmidt und Bender Zenith has the best resolution and color rendition. Their illuminated reticle (rheostat) is better than everyone else.
Zeiss Victory Diavari and Varipoint appears to have the brightest image to my eyes, and I prefer their non-illuminated reticles. Lighter and trimmer than S&B, and I absolutely favor the 2.5-10x42mm, which Zeiss in their infinite "wisdom" decided to discontinue in favor of promoting/pushing their 50mm scopes.
In regard to the OP original query, to my eyes the S&B Classic series has better resolution and color rendition than the Swaro Z5. It also edges it out in brightness.
The S&B Classic however does suffer from a "tunnel vision" effect on the lowest power magnification.
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Z6, S&B, Victory, Swaro PH, and VX6 together. I wasn't impressed enough with NF to include that one. You did have a good group to compare to. BTW, I was just razzing you somewhat, except for the "blows them away" thing.....that just ain't possible with any high end glass over another.
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