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Once again I'll place my vote for the Peppy San Badger bred horse's. Really like the Paddy's Irish Whiskey line. Have a yearling filly by an own son of PIW and out of a Dock Bar mare that is one of the sweetest natured baby's we have ever had on the place. Maybe it's luck, but of the several PSB horse's I've been around, none of them have acted as described here. After a 5 year rest from showing, I took my 9 year old gelding (a grandson of PeppySanEspecial) to a reined cowhorse show. Despite everthing I put him through, he took it pretty well. Much better than his rider:) Incidently all my foal's are imprinted at birth, and it seem's to make all the difference later on.

Paddys Irish Whiskey was also one pretty horse.

He is one of the full brothers to Gray's Starlight, who was a noted sire of cutting/reining horses. 'Rooster' (Gallo del Ciello) was another full brother (Little Peppy x Doc's starlight), for some reason, they were better known as sires of reiners/working cow horses/reined cow horses.

Most of the Gray's Starlight's were quite pretty headed, nice horses to look at as well as being athletes.

Not all of the Little Peppy horses were broncs, but many were somewhat playful buckers. Get one with Little Peppy on both sides, or out of a Doc Quixote mare, better hang on, though. The reputation for being a little rough wasn't a myth.

I'm down to my last horse. She is a grand daughter of Little Peppy (By Lynx and Peppy), and out of a daughter of Leo's Question that was out of a Pat Star Jr mare. You'll wear your jeans out before you will ride her down for the day.

I watched Gray's Starlight show a bit. Gary use to say if he could just have one more (like Gray's Starlight). I know this sounds stupid but I didn't care for Rooster, he didn't want to cut.

I knew the Rooster's were used a lot for reiners, so I had to assume that they didn't work in the cutting pen as well.


The Leo's Question x Oklahoma Star bloodline cross was a pretty well known nick years ago, usually with a shot of Bert in the mix somewhere.

Pretty impresive knowledge Mr. Stevens. Indeed a lot of those Leo's Question mares did have some Bert in them. I really liked those horses, a lot of guys didn't want to put the time in with them but they suited me to a t. I rode a few of them (leos Question horses, mostly mares) and a couple of the Doc's Jack Sprat as well. I considered Mr. Wilkins one of the most astute horsemen I ever met. He could pretty well sum up a horse in the first couple of minutes. I felt honored to do some horse trading with him, as I very much respected his knowledge. Sounds to me you've been looking at good horses for some time

I don't want to harsh anybody's mellow and maybe the pictures didn't tell the story so I could understand it, but I've seen better technique for laying one down. Looked like a pretty fair rodeo.

The foundation mare that my 9 yr old gelding is out of trace's back to Bert through Puddin Head breeding.Also, the mare that had that sweet little filly I mentioned is by Freckles Mr Mack by Quixote Mac.

Back for the "Great Alaska Horse Expo". Badger did excellent ridden by my daughter and Three of the clinicians. Cattle work (ranch sorting) and being roped off of didn't rattle him .

Jstevens the horse with her nose out is not Badger, but my wifes horse ridden by a gent that had not ridden in 30 years. She was getting a little cranky with his rein work.

The laying down started out gentle with just the clinician doing it, but with the knee brace and broken arm he had me run the leg rope for him. We were pretty gentle - he would just bow then explode. His behavior this weekend was way beyond expectation.

Thanks to all who have lent their wisdom and opinions to this discussion!

I always liked the Doc's Jack Sprat horses myself, as I am in NW Mo., they were kind of in the neighborhood(E Ne) Some of the Wilkins' family are still around there, but I don't think they do much with horses though. My current show horse is out of a Smart Little Lena x Doc's Oak stud, out of my old mare which is a Colonel Freckles and her mother is out of real old lines, her grandmother is a half sister to Bert (out of the same mare), and by Pretty Boy (dam's sire of Poco Lena). She also has Plaudit back in her pedigree. He was a thoroughbred Kentucky Derby winner and the sire of Question Mark who I think was the dam's sire of Leo's Question. I grew up on a cow/calf operation, and we have had registered quarter horses for right at 55 years on our home place, the same year I was born. I can't remember at the moment what town in Nebraska the Wilkins' were from, having a brain fart, I guess. If I remember correctly, the Wilkins owned Leo's Question as well, so there were a lot of crosses on them, kind of like Bud Warren with Leo mares bred to Sugar Bars.

The blaze on her nose describes her nick name!

Ironbender you are thinking of my horse not this one....

Oops. Got a pic of that one?

I remembered a "better" blaze!

A leather cuff below the hock on the hind legs works pretty well. Can't use a rope there, it will burn the heck out of them. FWIW

I had a neoprene cuff in my back pocket in case it came to that.

I was "allowed" to go on a trail ride with my youngest and friend last night. Badger was outfitted in an english saddle so they could do some blowdown tree jumping. No trace of his former obstinate self. His jumping form is amusing - doesn't matter if the tree is 6" or 3' off the ground he still jumps the same height.

Laughter at simple pleasures in the woods is becoming too rare in this day and age.

I just ride around or have the horse step over trees - not up to the sky bombing they were doing.

Helps when one can ride in daylight till midnight.

To tie this back into the thread - it is amazing what someone with skill and patience can accomplish. Attending a clinic or getting mentored by a "master", learning should never cease.. Getting comfortable can cause stagnation. Not just in horses, but in what ever ones passion is.

It CAN do that, but not always a burn. Natives in Slana always laid horses down to shoe them. I did a small bunch of horses for a feller there one time and the village elder came by to watch - he'd never seen horses shod while standing!

Was the young one jumping bareback the way she raced him last weekend?

By the way I truly believe a horse can learn a valuable lesson by being "laid down."
The closer the timing is to the miscreant act, the better, but it can't always work out that way.

Mike
We used to shoe a string of 15 mules by laying them down with a bale between their legs. Saved a lot of time but it was hard to get used to nailing at that angle. Hard for me anyway.

The only time I've done horses sideways, was 2 BLM mustang mares each with a yearling. They came up from Nevada, IIRC, and hauled through swamp from the Haul Rd. by a horse that would not take "no" for an answer.

They were maxed out on dopey drugs and the mares still were able to toss their heads and run out of rope range.

Finally caught them, choked them down, sacked them, had the vet's tiny wife sit on their heads, and went to work.

That was an interesting day!

A bit off topic, but I castrated my now retired gelding, Shiloh, by lifting his hind feet off the ground with a come-along attached to a rope on his tail. Pretty much the same principle. Take away a horse's legs and you remove the flight instinct. The young trainer who starts my colts lays all his colts down on a bright blue tarp.