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It's my understanding as well, that he was not wearing "armor", but tacticool stuff.

I did a search a little later. There is a picture of the reciept for his "bullet proof vest"....it's actually just a tactical (...many pockets...) vest. Nothing bullet proof about it.

Body Armor

CLASSIC!

Yep. Once you're aware the bad guy is armored up (or if he's not reacting to your shots for some reason), change aiming points to the noggin. It's never happened to me, but I'm sure getting shot while wearing a vest still hurts, and hurts more with larger guns. But in the theater situation, the guy needed to be stopped immediately, and there's one sure way to do that.

In a hyped up situation this shooter was in , I'm not sure a shot to a armored vest would have really impressed him . They said he had a bottle of Vicodin Pain Killer in his pocket when arrested and probably had already ate a few of them

Actually, as a rule, it's the stimulate drugs, like meth, that make them hard to stop. Vicodin is a depressant. E

Doctors put people to sleep all the time and do things like saw off limbs and cut on hearts, and nobody feels a thing until later.

It may be a depressant, but it is also a pain killer and pain is what gets your attention

That is just an item he purchased of many, many. No bearing on any body armor reported by officials. The piece I saw when talking about the body armor, if correct, gave me the impression it was classified as "soft" and not "hard". The hard stuff is rated up to 308 rifle with the soft stuff rated to stop up to 44 magnum projectiles travelling 1,400 fps. If it was IIIA, it is tested to limit trauma injury from this same max projectile with minimum dent/impact injury to the user so one could withstand hits and keep returning fire.

Again, I think it a silly notion to plan on packing some sort of "Dirty Harry" hand cannon for day to day carry with intent on using such pistol to defeat body armor worn by well prepared and armed combatants. I'm sure there are guys here with more experience than I, but I've done this for a professional living for a quarter century with major players in the field. The idea sounds good, but don't see it being highly effective in real life.

Get some training, then go out and practice, practice, practice. Carry something that you can actually carry day to day. Carry something that you can actually shoot. Vet yourself to make sure you can function in realistic training scenarios. Quite a number having a lack of training and experience just cannot function with rounds going off in their direction. We'll use real guns modified to fire simunitions when training. The guns function as normal and it hurts when you're hit. In an experiment, a former MMA Champion, who was a gun nut and paint ball fanatic, was taken as an experiment for measuring stress in combat. As much experience as this guy had, he had zero training and experience in real gunfights. He was wired to measure vitals and was placed in a combat situation with simunition. When the rounds started going off, he went into a textbook code black condition losing contol of most his major functions, he dropped his gun and he voided his bladder. He could not function, was out of the fight, and had zero effective value. After receiving proper training, due to his previous noted experience, he had a short learning curve and reached a point where he could stay in his target zone and function. He then was effective. This experimentation and training was conducted and developed by the governement via your tax dollars to better train our troops. This training has developed into a science which now is fairly standard with the military as well as with most every major LE agency in the Nation. I've seen a number of training classes offered for civilians around the country that cover the same proven basics as used by the military and law enforcement. For someone not getting this training and experience on the job, find a good instructor and class.

Good Luck

Believe it or not, pain meds can "stimulate" folks who are not taking them for pain management.

To defeat body armor - two to the head one to each hip. Fast, accurate shooting required.

Now that's body armor! I love that scene.