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Use a Vais brake. Hardy any increase in noise if any at all. Doubtful.
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I'm not talking about marriage, kids, loans, cars, the government, or jobs... I'm talking about rifles. I didn't know you needed to be 30+ and have 20 years of experience to talk about rifles. Sorry, I'll go back to speeding and listening to rap music.
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You are arguing a point that the OP didn't ask.
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Use a Vais brake. Hardy any increase in noise if any at all. Doubtful. Ever try one? I was doubtful too when my gunsmith told me that before installing it. I was surprised he was right. That's on a .270 though. I'm sure larger calibers could be different. The Vais has a design like no other brake, and the noise it shot forward instead of just out the side like other brakes.
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There is no denying that that a brake will keep jump down, and allow one to watch hits through the scope regardless of cartridge. One reason the 204, and 223 are popular. My 243 jumps off target, where as my 204 does not. It is not an ego thing about who can and who cannot tolerate recoil.
Exactly.
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From a review on brakes. "The Vias brake is excellent! Very difficult to make in the home shop. Besides a series of holes around the brake George Vias bores a series of holes to intercept the radial holes, thereby bleeding some gas and noise out of the front of the brake. You lose some braking effectiveness with this method, not much, but you gain a measurable reduction in muzzle blast and noise." http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/brakevaisx350op.pngMore info from Vais himself. http://www.muzzlebrakes.com/Faq.aspx
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Not true. I put a Vais on a .270, and it helped a lot in recoil, and staying down to see the hit. I was shooting 150gr partitions. A 270? What rifle is it on, sir?
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Here is my experience: a Mag-Na-Port was designed to reduce muzzle flip thus offering quick target reacquisition while the muzzle brake should offer reduced perceived recoil.
The first works and the second I don't know; the only rifle I ever shot was a Wildcat called the 366 DGW which is a 416 Rigby necked to 9.3 mm. All up it weighed 11 lbs and with a 286 gr bullet at 3100 fps kicked like a 20 guage shotgun. Deduce from there.
Personally, I use neither.
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IMO, if you need a brake or port of any type, you need a smaller caliber rifle.
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IMO, if you need a brake or port of any type, you need a smaller caliber rifle. I agree with Waputi...and with Dawaba. That said if forced to choose I would go with the Magna Port based on experiences with a 340 Weatherby and a 358STA-equivilent wildcat,and a 375H&H.Muzzle flip is substantially reduced,they were both more manageable,and I simply have not noticed the noise from them to the degree noted with a muzzle brake. In the end, I will choose the smaller rifle;maybe a step down in bullet weight and caliber,before I went with either one. OTOH I can see the utlity for those who may require it to attenuate recoil to the absolute minimum level..it is sad but true that,as we age,our recoil tolerances generally diminish...if not physically, but maybe mentally as well.....it isn't that some older shooters can't handle substantial recoil....it is just that they don't want to any more. Excessive recoil separates the men from the boys....the men go home.
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Not true. I put a Vais on a .270, and it helped a lot in recoil, and staying down to see the hit. I was shooting 150gr partitions. A 270? What rifle is it on, sir? A Rem 700.
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IMO, if you need a brake or port of any type, you need a smaller caliber rifle. Makes no sense. Why not have the power of a bigger gun with a smaller gun recoil? Best of both worlds.
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I knew George and there are a lot of his muzzle gizmos around here and they will hurt your hearing with one shot!
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Not true. I put a Vais on a .270, and it helped a lot in recoil, and staying down to see the hit. I was shooting 150gr partitions. A 270? What rifle is it on, sir? A Rem 700. That looks good on it, sir.
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IMO, if you need a brake or port of any type, you need a smaller caliber rifle. Makes no sense. Why not have the power of a bigger gun with a smaller gun recoil? Best of both worlds. Because the added noise and blowback aren't worth it. Shoot a loudner equipped rifle with anyone off to the side(s) and I'll bet you get dirty looks, even if they're wearing hearing protection.
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The only brake I have is on a 10" contender in 45/70. No apologies offerred.
I shoot my heavy hitters less at a session now than when I was younger.
Tanner your perspective relects your youthful body and I respectfully submit you speak with authority on your situation.
Mauser you speak with an authority reflecting your present situation which closely represents myself and many of the older shooters with more miles traveled.
A man has to understand his own limitations and I would sooner see a recoil reduction device in the field than an older shooter remeniscing on the porch. By the way we older men just plain kill critters with steely eyed confidence and without fanfare. It has been 52 years since I harvested my first game with a rifle. I will do what I have to do to keep doing so.
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You're probably right, but I hunt alone, and go to the range at 6am when no one is there. I know what you mean, but you can't make a general statement like that. It worked for me perfectly with no harm to anyone else.
As I mentioned already. I really didn't hear any difference in noise with the Vais, but I always use ear protection.
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The only brake I have is on a 10" contender in 45/70. No apologies offerred.
I shoot my heavy hitters less at a session now than when I was younger.
Tanner your perspective relects your youthful body and I respectfully submit you speak with authority on your situation.
Mauser you speak with an authority reflecting your present situation which closely represents myself and many of the older shooters with more miles traveled.
A man has to understand his own limitations and I would sooner see a recoil reduction device in the field than an older shooter remeniscing on the porch. By the way we older men just plain kill critters with steely eyed confidence and without fanfare. It has been 52 years since I harvested my first game with a rifle. I will do what I have to do to keep doing so. Nail on the head. I will do anything to keep hunting. As i'm sure you and others will too. I'll never retire. I'll just fall over dead on a hunt.
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To me, the only drawback of a brake is the noise. Therefore I wouldn't want one in a big game hunting situation where things could happen too fast to put in plugs.
If I were building a dedicated varminter such as a prairie dog gun, it would be no big deal to have a brake, and you could watch all your hits through the scope. Same goes with a longrange target gun. Why not brake it? You are already wearing hearing protection, and it would allow you to fire your mag all day long.
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To me, the only drawback of a brake is the noise. Therefore I wouldn't want one in a big game hunting situation where things could happen too fast to put in plugs.
If I were building a dedicated varminter such as a prairie dog gun, it would be no big deal to have a brake, and you could watch all your hits through the scope. Same goes with a longrange target gun. Why not brake it? You are already wearing hearing protection, and it would allow you to fire your mag all day long. My next door neighbor put a brake on his 10-lb bull-barreled .22-250, just so he could watch the sod poodles vaporize in his scope!
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