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Exactly. Just like big business has top CEOs being paid ridiculous money with huge parachutes attached. It was all well intended, and then got out of hand. Big time. This isn't a CEO and it isn't a company. This is a corrupt, unaccountable political entity. The kind that liberals favor. Institutionalized theft. You don't like the way a company pays it's help? Don't buy from them, get on their board and change them, or compete with them. Taxpayers/serfs have no such remedies for out-of-control bureaucracies.
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Taxpayers/serfs have no such remedies for out-of-control bureaucracies. At this stage, I agree, but it's 'bout to change - and in my lifetime. Using tax dollars to buy votes is going the way of the dinosaur, as is the current system of decision making in publicly-funded education. You take our money - you do it our way.
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The Reagan era model did not call for the extremes seen today in some situations. It called for paying someone according to what they contributed to the success of the organization. This seems to be a good idea gone crazy. This is not unlike many similar programs that started out as worthy ideas but became grotesque when applied to extremes. Exactly. Just like big business has top CEOs being paid ridiculous money with huge parachutes attached. It was all well intended, and then got out of hand. Big time. The compensation of top executives of private firms is the business of the stockholders and boards of directors. Their pay is not coming out of taxpayer pockets.
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More of the big business-model of university management that was made popular in Reagan era. Lots of very highly paid administrators were one result. Good to know it's all the Republicans' fault. maybe someone that speaks to that idiot Brent, could tell him that Reagan is no longer President, and this event is current.
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The pay comes out of stockholder pockets just like it University presidents' pay come out of taxpayer profits. Very symmetrical in that way. Ditto coach salaries.
If you think university administrators are overpaid, what do you think of coaches for football and basketball?
How much should the president of a university with, oh, let's say a $1B annual budget maybe 7K employees and 35K students be paid? What number would you feel is fair and honest?
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maybe someone that speaks to that idiot Brent, could tell him that Reagan is no longer President, and this event is current. You really can't read, can you? Historical artifacts are historical artifacts. Are you saying we live in a history-free world? Oh yeah, you really are that stupid.
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The pay comes out of stockholder pockets just like it University presidents' pay come out of taxpayer profits. Very symmetrical in that way. Ditto coach salaries.
If you think university administrators are overpaid, what do you think of coaches for football and basketball?
How much should the president of a university with, oh, let's say a $1B annual budget maybe 7K employees and 35K students be paid? What number would you feel is fair and honest?
How much money does a major football program make? How many people does it employ? How many businesses are impacted by a major football program?
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"a vice chancellor for equity, diversity, and inclusion" is a bunch of crap - even more so at $250,000.
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Private business = private dollars.
Education = public dollars.
It's really not difficult. in other words, the business model sucks for University management - we agree. If you don't like your compensation package, leave your taxpayer-funded security blanket and try the free market; that experience will tell you what you are REALLY worth.
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Stuborn refusal to accept that private industry, and public institutions are not comperable.
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Mining schools beat Harvard because mining schools are "stuck" in reality. Their future is secure.
Reality is coming to the ethereal disconnected ivory tower, and then BrentD will get a chance to see what fancy ad hominems bring in the real world market place.
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Had another thought.
Since the chosen arguement for pay is based on comparing public, to private enterprise - let's accept that.
Private business will hold total compensation to a percentage of profit. Game on.
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The pay comes out of stockholder pockets just like it University presidents' pay come out of taxpayer profits. Very symmetrical in that way. Ditto coach salaries.
If you think university administrators are overpaid, what do you think of coaches for football and basketball?
How much should the president of a university with, oh, let's say a $1B annual budget maybe 7K employees and 35K students be paid? What number would you feel is fair and honest?
How much money does a major football program make? How many people does it employ? How many businesses are impacted by a major football program? You ducked the question.
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Had another thought.
Since the chosen arguement for pay is based on comparing public, to private enterprise - let's accept that.
Private business will hold total compensation to a percentage of profit. Game on. Since when does business hold compensation to a precentage of profit? But before you answer that, answer my first quesion. How much do you think such a university president should make? I'll have to catch up later.
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I took my son on a tour of a major California university this summer. We never saw the computer lab but we did get to see where the vegan cafeteria was and heard more about diversity and inclusion than I could stomach. We happened to be out there so we thought what the heck let's go see one.
The girl giving the tour sounded functionally illiterate and it chapped my butt to think she probably was there on a full ride.
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The pay comes out of stockholder pockets just like it University presidents' pay come comes out of taxpayer profits.
Can you explain what you mean by 'taxpayer profits'?
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Since when does business hold compensation to a precentage of profit?
Always, and those who don't aren't around long. So, I accept you're insistance that public compensation be modeled after the private sector. How much do you think such a university president should make? Depends on the training and track record. If the training and record indicate the intentional seeking to increase public dollars taken in on a pr/student basis (that'd be all of 'em) - then they're unemployed. If the training, and record indicate intentionally seeking to reduce public dollars taken in on a pr/student basis (welcome to the future) - as much as they want to to say, "I'll take the job".
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