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Spot on.

Here is what bothers me about the entire thing and its a question that's never been answered with a logical explanation- it concerns the bullets:

If Ozzy killed JFK all by his lonesome, why did (2) 6.5 FMJ bullets out of the same box behave so differently?

One penetrates the President's neck, Gov. Connally's chest, breaking ribs, passes thru his wrist-breaking that bone and lodges in his thigh. This bullet left fairly small exit and entrance wounds and it was yawing when it got to the Gov.

When it is recovered, there is only slight damage to the base.

The second bullet, strikes JFK in the head from behind causing an entrance wound the size of a child's fist, exits out of the right side of his head, creating another gaping wound.

Yet, there are many fragments left indicating that the bullet largely disintegrated inside the President's skull.

How do you explain such dissimilar performance from the same type of bullet, traveling at close to identical speeds at impact?

I guess JFK's head was much harder than his neck, the Govenor's Chest muscle, ribs, wrist bone and thigh tissue.

............Posner does show many good facts throughout his book, but has ignored the obvious.

However what he does not do, is explain the differences in the damage to Kennedy`s head after the initial head shot from frames 319 through 337.

Perhaps you can explain WHY there is additional damage to the president`s head beginning with frames 319 through 337, which was not caused by the first headshot in frame 313?

I know you lone assassin buffs are convinced that LHO acted totally alone. But you cannot throw the forensics under the bus.

That video link I posted earlier shows far more extensive head damage which was not caused by the initial head shot in frame 313. Two head shots from two different directions, was the independent conclusion of three individual doctors who`s names are mentioned in the video link.

Statements by many witnesses there that day including the statements from Clint Hill and from Mary Moorman, indicate that there were two shots (nearly back to back) at the end of the attack.

Posner has disregarded their statements as well as the obvious further head damage not caused by the first head shot in frame 313.

Handloads.

That could very well be true, with Oswald as the patsy who took the fall for it. I do not buy for a New York second that Ruby wanted him dead because he murdered JFK. Had Oswald been convicted, he would have gotten the death penalty in a state that metes it out. However a trial would have exposed secrets that needed burying with Oswald.

we've all seen bullets do weird things in animals, and I'm sure they do weirder yet stuff when they exit and reenter at odd angles on moving bodies.

160 round nose 6.5 bullets from MS carbines put bullets through the skulls of countless elephants back in the day, so I'm not shocked that one might penetrate two or three little chunks of human anatomy and still be capable of doing the damage that was found.

that shot in Dealey plaza is shorter than the average shot to a deer feeder in west Texas, a shot ten year olds make thousands of times a year.

and of course, there's no way of knowing the difference in the condition of the rifle from the time LHO fired it to the time it was recovered after he dumped it and the time it was actually used to try to duplicate the shot.

Yawn,

So you're good with dismissing the plethora of circumstantial evidenced that meshed perfectly at a precise time that accorded Oswald ability to act alone in killing JFK?

What motive did Oswald have to murder JFK? JFK was the best thing to happen to communists. Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile Crisis, Khrushchev's spanking JFK's heinie at every turn; JFK was an inadvertent commie ally.

How would you account for the FACT that the photographer that took Oswald's picture wincing at the exact moment he was allegedly shot say that he saw not a speck of blood anywhere? How would you account for a known felon waltzing into a secure police facility at the precise time Oswald was escorted from the police facility while escorted between to two cops, walk right up to him unopposed, whip out a handgun & plug Oswald? How did Ruby know when Oswald was going to emerge from the police facility, considering his exit was delayed, yet Ruby somehow knew the exact time? Does that sound rational to you?

Maybe you're yawning too much when you ought to be thinking.

You're talking too much when you should shut the [bleep] up.

I ain't talking. I'm writing.

It's obvious that it was a forgone conclusion that Oswald would not have a trial.

Read Posner's book and you, too, can sleep tight.

I've shot more pigs in the head than I care to remember and seen gobs of them that others have brained.

These kills were done with much softer bullets that expand much more rapidly than FMJ's will.

I've yet to see one exhibit the damage that JFK's head did.

Still no reasonable answer as to why these 2 bullets performed so differently other than, "bullets do weird stuff."

Well, at least you admit it's a weird occurance and maybe that's all it is, but I don't think so.

I believe the head shot was made with a frangible type bullet based on the pictures of his head.

Not a nutty assumption if you simply examine the photos of his head. A nutty assumption would be to think that is typical performance of an FMJ when you consider all the fragments found inside his skull.

If someone showed you those pics and you were unaware that it was JFK, would your first guess be that a FMJ bullet caused those wounds?


I think not.

have read this whole thread in a couple two/three visits. it seems to "see-saw back and forth" between polar views.

j.moses makes a good point on the "complexity" of the head wounds...

it's surprising that no one has mentioned the claims made by james files--whether anyone believes they are even remotely credible, or not.

in the end, so often more than a few just shrug and say, "occam's razor..."

Use reason and logic, and you'll sleep tight, too.

Arlen Specter authored the Magic Bullet Theory. No more need be said.

Some people can sleep through an ARTY barrage. That doesn't mean they're safe. Read the books by Marrs and Garrison. Then you won't.

At work I was once given a letter to evaluate. It was 3 pages with somewhat of an inferred threat from an individual that had become aware that the healthcare organization I work for had hired the CIA to spy on him. In addition to the cars he identified as following him, he, on a daily basis, also detected the planes we had tracking him. Bear in mind that the spelling and puncuation in this communication was quite good...

This letter could have come from any of about 20 people that routinely espouse this diatribe here. No manner of tinfoil will work...maybe some LIBRIUM or THROAZINE...???

SteveNO ...Granted the rifle could have been damaged before the FBI got their shot at shootin it....I'll say that is a possibility..,..My Father said "nothin is impossible , YOU CAN STRETCH A REDBUGGS AZZ OVER A CROSSTIE IF YOU CAN FIND THE RIGHT LUBE" So usein that line of reasonin it is possible the scope was damaged by dropin the Rifle behind some Boxes
If that is true...it is also true that the rifle could have been shootin 2 ft high and 3 ft right before it was droped and dropin corrected the scope to the few inches high and right ....So all we know for sure is the POA and the POI are not the same ...Remmy 722s shoot good , in those days They were cheap for a Hand thinkin of takein down a President...I would have tried for a Model 70....I will say this, " If you weren't around in the early 1960s YOU TALKIN THRU YOUR AZZ IF YOU THINK THE TEN DOLLAR JAP SCOPES WERE WORTH PUTTIN ON ANY RIFLE ...i NEVER SAW ONE THAT WOULD HOLD ZERO, FEW COULD BE ZEROED TO BEGINN WITH AND REMEMBER , SOME OF yOU WANT TO CREDIT A "DUD" (LHO) WITH PRATICE....THE SCOPE WOULDN'T LAST THRU HALF A BOX OF AMMO

Wild Bill

By the By.....Posners' book is written for the same reason all books are written....to make money...but some beleive ( maybe the "My goverment would never deceive Me" crowd )that Posners book is the GOSPEL TRUTH.....Why ???? because it fits Your belief ??? Alful close minded

Wild Bill

Doesn't matter. Mosquitoes CAN kill.