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....maybe some LIBRIUM or THROAZINE...???

Still no reasonable answer as to why these 2 bullets performed so differently other than, "bullets do weird stuff."

If Oswald's shooting was as bad as your spelling, JFK would have died of old age.

Lol

You didn't watch it. It's clear from your response.

How would you account for the FACT that the photographer that took Oswald's picture wincing at the exact moment he was allegedly shot say that he saw not a speck of blood anywhere?

SteveNO ...Granted the rifle could have been damaged before the FBI got their shot at shootin it....I'll say that is a possibility..,..My Father said "nothin is impossible , YOU CAN STRETCH A REDBUGGS AZZ OVER A CROSSTIE IF YOU CAN FIND THE RIGHT LUBE" So usein that line of reasonin it is possible the scope was damaged by dropin the Rifle behind some Boxes
If that is true...it is also true that the rifle could have been shootin 2 ft high and 3 ft right before it was droped and dropin corrected the scope to the few inches high and right ....So all we know for sure is the POA and the POI are not the same ...Remmy 722s shoot good , in those days They were cheap for a Hand thinkin of takein down a President...I would have tried for a Model 70....I will say this, " If you weren't around in the early 1960s YOU TALKIN THRU YOUR AZZ IF YOU THINK THE TEN DOLLAR JAP SCOPES WERE WORTH PUTTIN ON ANY RIFLE ...i NEVER SAW ONE THAT WOULD HOLD ZERO, FEW COULD BE ZEROED TO BEGINN WITH AND REMEMBER , SOME OF yOU WANT TO CREDIT A "DUD" (LHO) WITH PRATICE....THE SCOPE WOULDN'T LAST THRU HALF A BOX OF AMMO

Wild Bill

Assuming this is true, what is it that you believe this fact implies, exactly?

....Hey Travis...Or do they call you Travy!

Isn`t that name kinda gay?? I mean if someone with a hairlip comes along they may call you Travisthhhhhh???

A "goofy [bleep]" among many others, is one name you`ll never have the pleasure of saying directly to my face!

As usual, you are quite the im-mature piece of crap.

I wouldn't buy one, but those scoped combos sold like hot cakes off the back pages of every gun magazine. So Oswald used a cheap gun that no professional assassin would use....OK, so? Doesn't that tend to disprove some complex conspiracy, which would have tricked him out with proper gear, and support the lone nut theory? Or was some Spetznaz shooter with a Draganov hiding in another window?

Here's the article.

jorge1....didn't expect You to come over three states..if there was a range three feet away from You I wouldn't expect You to take the bet....I've been lookin for a Hand that could make head shots with that rifle ever since the shootin

Wild Bill

From WikiPedia: (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kennedy_assassination_rifle#FBI_tests )

"FBI tests

The FBI tests of the Carcano's accuracy showed:

1) FBI firearms expert Robert A. Frazier testified that "It is a very accurate weapon. The targets we fired show that."[65] From 15 yards (14 m), all three bullets in a test firing landed approximately 2� inches high, and 1-inch (25 mm) to the right, in the area about the size of a dime.[66] At 100 yards (91 m), the test shots landed 2� to 5 inches (130 mm) high, within a 3 to 5-inch (130 mm) circle. Frazier testified that the scope's high variation would actually work in the shooter's favor: with a target moving away from the shooter, no "lead" correction would have been necessary to follow the target. "At that range, at that distance, 175 feet (53 m) to 265 feet (81 m),[67] with this rifle and that telescopic sight, I would not have allowed any lead � I would not have made any correction for lead merely to hit a target of that size."

2) The rifle couldn't be "sighted-in" using the scope without installing two metal shims (small metal plates), which were not present when the rifle arrived for testing, and were never found.[68] Frazier testified that there was "a rather severe scrape" on the scope tube, and that the sight could have been bent or damaged. He was unable to determine when the defect occurred before the FBI received the rifle and scope on November 27, 1963.
Ballistics Research Laboratory tests

In an effort to test the rifle under conditions that matched the assassination, the Infantry Weapons Evaluation Branch of the U.S. Army's Ballistics Research Laboratory had expert riflemen fire the assassination weapon from a tower at three silhouette targets at distances of 175, 240, and 265 feet (81 m).[69] Using the assassination rifle mounted with the telescopic sight, three marksmen, rated as master by the National Rifle Association, each fired two series of three shots. In the first series the firers required time spans of 4.6, 6.75, and 8.25 seconds respectively. On the second series they required 5.15, 6.45, and 7 seconds. The marksmen took as much time as they wanted for the first target at 175 feet (53 m), and all hit the target. For the first four attempts, the firers missed the second shot at 240 feet (73 m) by several inches. Five of the six shots hit the third target at 265 feet (81 m), the distance of President Kennedy from the sixth floor window when he was struck in the head.[70] None of the marksmen had any practice with the assassination weapon beforehand except to work the bolt.

CBS conducted a firing test in 1967 at the H. P. White Ballistics Laboratory located in Street, Maryland. For the test 11 marksmen from diverse backgrounds were invited to participate: 3 Maryland State Troopers, 1 weapons engineer, 1 sporting goods dealer, 1 sportsman, 1 ballistics technician, 1 ex-paratrooper, and 3 H. P. White employees. CBS provided several Carcano rifles for the test. The MC rifle WC-139 was not used in this test. The targets were color coded orange for head/shoulder silhouette and blue for a near miss. The results of the CBS test were as follows: 7 of 11 shooters were able to fire three rounds under 5.6 seconds (64%). Of those 7 shooters, 6 hit the orange target once (86%), and 5 hit the orange target twice (71%). Out of 60 rounds fired, 25 hit the orange (42%), 21 hit the blue portion of the target (35%), and there were 14 misses on the target (23%).

One volunteer was unable to operate his rifle effectively so the following statistics are based on the 10 remaining shooters. The average time of all 10 was 5.64 seconds. The mode was 5.55 seconds and the mean was 5.70 seconds. The average for the top five shooters was 5.12 seconds, and for the bottom five shooters 6.16 seconds. There was a high occurrence of jamming during the test. On average the rifles jammed after 6 rounds. The most rounds fired without jamming were 14, 11, 10 in a row. The least was 0 (back to back).

The first shooter to lead off the experiment was Al Sherman, Maryland State Trooper. The record of his effort: 5.0 sec: 2 orange, 1 blue / 6.0 sec: 2 orange, 1 blue / NT (jam at 3rd cartridge)/ 5.2 sec: 1 orange, 2 low / 5.0 sec: 1 orange, 2 blue. Sherman was able to fire 8 rounds before his rifle jammed. Of all shooters, the fastest times were: 4.1 sec, 4.3 sec, 4.9 sec, 5.0 sec. The best accuracy was 3 orange in 5.2 seconds. The rifles were oiled and allowed to cool down between shooters. CBS reporter Dan Rather attended this experiment.

During the investigation by the House Select Committee on Assassinations (1976�1978), the lead attorneys for the Committee, Robert Blakey and Gary Cornwell, were allowed to use WC-139 at an FBI firing range. The attorneys wanted to see how fast the bolt action could be operated. Blakey was able to fire two rounds in 1.5 seconds and Cornwell fired two rounds in 1.2 seconds. This was an experiment to test a possible theory that Oswald in his excitement may have pointed and fired, as opposed to aimed and fired. Some critics of the Warren Commission had claimed it was impossible to fire a Carcano rifle in less than 2.3 seconds. Both the CBS and HSCA tests proved conclusively this claim is not accurate.[71]"