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isn't this where you say "make love not war"?

uhhh,..no

Got to love Texans. Silly fools think the universe rotates around them...

Frog in the boiling pot.

He's this close to getting re-elected with gas prices double what they were when he took office.

Do you think Texas would stop producing crude? It would be no different than Brazil or Venezuela. A New Yorker doesn't care where his gas comes from, they still go to Citgo and Shell, don't they?

ALL of you guys need to get up, go outside, and go hunting. Where are you guys coming up with this crazy schitt at?!

This is the campfire forum.. In case you haven't noticed, not many hunters here.

Try the General Hunting forum, deer, elk, rifles, reloading..

People have fun on those forums, too!

There is no need for Texas or any other state to secede from the union. We just need to secede from Washigton DC. That's where the source of all the trouble is.
Paul B.

Just thinking about the response - if New Mexico joined.

Los Alamos Natl Lab
Sandia Natl Lab
White Sands Missile Range
Kirtland AFB
Holloman AFB
Cannon AFB
And a large geographical portion of FT Bliss

Bet THAT news would get a response!

Mark

(Note: all photos are clickable links)

As with many serious topics on the fire, the uneducated and ignorant spew their subjective opinions, based upon their shaded state sponsored education, instead of using the two ears and one mouth that God gave them. For the well read and informed population, the subject of modern day secession has been discussed and debated for years as the only peaceful way to solved the problem of "Mordor on the Potomac."

For those who are intelligent enough to read and learn, may I recommend you start with a book that clearly and logically lays out the current situation so that even the majority of our campfire members can understand the problem and the solution. This can all be done peacefully and within the legal confines of the Constitution. The bottom line is our population has grown too large for the Central Government to govern as a representative republic. That is the singular issue that secession would solve. This would allow the Central Government to concern itself with foreign affairs, declaring war, and regulating commerce. Everything else is left to the states.



As for the disinformation on secession and President Lincoln, may I recommend you start listening to the Sirius/XM radio program host Mike Church who is a modern day scholar on American History dating back to the Revolution and the writings of the founding fathers. His informative and historical docu-drama "What Lincoln Killed"explains that secession was not a foreign subject to the founders and was first seriously considered in 1803 by Timothy Pickering and the Northern States, (long before the Civil War,) which States were against the Louisiana Purchase; because they could see no benefit for themselves in paying for the purchase which directly benefitted the southern states.

In contrast to Steven Spielberg's new propaganda movie "Lincoln," consider reading Professor Thomas DiLorenzo's two books on Lincoln for another viewpoint. If nothing else, you will no longer be considered ignorant nor uneducated on the topic of Constitutional secession.

No thinking on the campfire forum, really!

I agree with a lot of your post,..but not this part.

Governments gather power through control.

No government will willingly cede any of its power.

Every war in history has been waged in order for governments to increase the scope of their control.

Czech Republic and Slovakia split amicably post Soviet meltdown, after being a single nation for all intents and purposes, for nearly the entire 20th century.

The Saar, which had historically been held by France and Germany at different times in history, was allowed to vote as to which country it wanted to be a part of, or if it wanted independence.

Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, both oil rich countries broke from the Soviet Union.

The Ukraine broke from Russia after hundreds of years of control.

The United States has allowed Puerto Rico to vote on independence.

There are dozens of such examples.

Ethan,

You're a loon.

,..all occurred as a result of the collapse of the centralized government which held control.

It didn't willingly collapse.

Not all. France won WWII, and later gave the Saar it's release. And the Saar was filled with people of French lineage.

The U.S. offered PR independence at the height of it's power.

England gave many of it's commonwealth possessions their Independence.

When my town split off from the city parish government they got a bill for all the stuff the city parish had built and the school system. Imagine the bill the feds would hand over for all the military bases etc....

True 'Nuff

Nice presentation, Orange Okie, never happen, but sounds like a good read. Thanks.

A few things I see about this if it did happen:

1. Both economies would be F***ED. I mean seriously. Only our parents and grandparents who endured rationing during WWII and the depression can begin to understand. Or, people from third world countries. Entire life savings of US dollars worthless. Businesses collapsing. Chaos.

2. Someone said the 82nd Airborne would capture Dallas, etc. A few youtube videos of US Soldiers manhandling Dallasites would be very powerful propaganda tools, expecially in today's media society.

3. Once it happened, America's enemies around the globe would seize the opportunity to act up. The US gov't would have more to worry about than Texas.

44henry

Just for arguments sake, let's say some states seceded. Why would there be an economic collapse?

Texas has the same size economy as Australia

Florida's economy is bigger than Switzerland,

Georgia's economy is the same size as Austria.

Combine just those 3 states and you have the 5th largest economy in the world.

As long as there was no war that damaged resources, both the U.S. and any split off country would thrive economically.