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A few things I see about this if it did happen:
1. Both economies would be F***ED. I mean seriously. Only our parents and grandparents who endured rationing during WWII and the depression can begin to understand. Or, people from third world countries. Entire life savings of US dollars worthless. Businesses collapsing. Chaos.
2. Someone said the 82nd Airborne would capture Dallas, etc. A few youtube videos of US Soldiers manhandling Dallasites would be very powerful propaganda tools, expecially in today's media society.
3. Once it happened, America's enemies around the globe would seize the opportunity to act up. The US gov't would have more to worry about than Texas.
44henry I don't envision it this way. We would all still be American Citizens and a united republic. The only changes (albeit a pretty big deal) would be new unions of like minded states forming more manageable and governable republics. The general government would still have a legislative, judicial, and executive branch, but they would only be attending to the regulation of commerce, the declaration of war, and attending to foreign affairs, as outlined in the Constitution. All other government would be carried out within the newly formed republics of individual states. This would be much closer to the original intent of the founders. No longer would we have to suffer at the hands of an imperial general government, of which Jefferson wrote and warned in his 13 August 1800 letter to Gideon Granger: "Our country is too large to have all of its affairs conducted by a single government. Public servants at such a distance and from under the eye of their constituents, must, from circumstances of distance, be unable to administer and overlook all details necessary for the good government of the citizens, and the same circumstances, by rendering detection impossible to their constituents, will invite the public agents to corruption, plunder, and waste. And I do verily believe, that if the principle were to prevail, of a common law being in force in the U.S., (which principle possesses the general government at once of all the powers of the State governments, and reduces us to a single consolidated government) it would become the most corrupt government on the earth." We fought a bloody war to free ourselves from a foreign imperial general government . . . why allow ourselves to be enslaved under another on these shores?
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taking, let's say, Oklahoma and Kansas with it. Maybe Louisiana too. If they were to secede after the election, what do y'all think would happen? I mean, lets say the impetus was simple math...the economy. Let's say these three or four states simply said they couldn't continue to do things economically, the way the Feds wanted to and also they didn't agree with the way things were going socially, let's say with the disregard to our borders and the constant clamor for gun control despite the Constitution, Supreme Court rulings and common sense. What would the Feds do about it? I mean, if the msm is truly enough in the pocket of the big boys, I'm sure something could be drummed up...Obama voters being kept down, racism, whatever. But seriously, there aren't any slaves now to free. How could it be spun? The world knows the United States claims to be free. How can a country claiming to be such prevent states that freely entered a union from freely leaving, when there is nobody to "protect"? It would give us a reason to finally build that fence lol! 
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I wouldn't mind living in Texas. I always liked the area around College Station.
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There's no standing army to oppose the Feds either. What would happen is that federal forces would arrest all the politicians who came up with such an idea and charge them with treason.
The issue was settled once and for all in 1865. Once in there's no taking your marbles and leaving just because you don't agree with the rest of the nation.
This GTC Actually, because of the last couple picnics in the sand box, State National Guard Units are stronger and more organized than at any time in the past 100 years. Who are these Federal forces? the FBI? Secret Service? Do you think that rag tag bunch of women and affirmative action hires wants to face off with a battle hardened NG Unit not long removed from Afghanistan and/or Iraq?
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It's a bigger stretch than Oprah's pantyhose, but I'm for the Republic of Texas rising to her independence, in L-shaped glory.
The L-shape is crucial, extending at least up the west slope of the Divide. Success of any southwestern empire would have little to do with oil/gas/coal, though they'd be great.
If you think,"independence from federalism" anywhere out of
hurricane-affected zones, you need to think,"water", before you even start. Control of access to the Rockies' watersheds would be
the success or failure of any attempt, which means the SW doesn't
secede w/o conquering the water-gulping urbanites. Let's start with Denver, and work south.
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Never happen
The Current US gov would never let that happen.
It would lead to further Fragmentation.
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For My beloved Texas... we would be embargoed...
No standing army or navy or Coast guard� the southern border in shambles�
It sounds bleak
Things would get better but I doubt the Republic would last long enough for that to happen.
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There is corrupt politicians even here in Texas.
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Got to love Texans. Silly fools think the universe rotates around them...  Are you saying it doesn�t? 
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I'm just building one of these... ![[Linked Image]](http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Leisure/2009/survivortruck660.jpg)
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I'm just building one of these... Good thing... One way or another that would be handy Snake
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I think Tejas would make a fine foreign country to whup on.
Them big hats and belt buckles and bigger egos can be seen from space. Easy pickin's.
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Let's not forget that Texas has the two biggest army bases in the United States (ft hood and ft bliss) both mechanized infantry divisions made up of many young texans that signed the dotted line right here in Texas. Chit would get interesting for sure!
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Tough talk from the most effette, limp wristed state in the union. If a dork like you ever shows up in Texas, they'd have you wearing a dress and singing Mary Had a Little Lamb in under a minute.JeffO's presence here is proof positive we allow diversity here, he's our resident fairy princess.
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Another ego geyser from our resident buffoon. Watch out around open flames and/or sharp objects there, y'old gasbag.
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It's a bigger stretch than Oprah's pantyhose, but I'm for the Republic of Texas rising to her independence, in L-shaped glory.
The L-shape is crucial, extending at least up the west slope of the Divide. Success of any southwestern empire would have little to do with oil/gas/coal, though they'd be great.
If you think,"independence from federalism" anywhere out of
hurricane-affected zones, you need to think,"water", before you even start. Control of access to the Rockies' watersheds would be
the success or failure of any attempt, which means the SW doesn't
secede w/o conquering the water-gulping urbanites. Let's start with Denver, and work south. Look up Texas as it originally was.It contained parts of N.M.,Co.,Ne.Kansas , and Ok. as I remember seeing on a map one time. I stand corrected,we had part of Wy.,not Ne. [good trade] These maps show the territory included in the Republic of Texas, which was much more expansive than the present day State of Texas. When the Republic of Texas was Annexed into the United States, its territory was split into different states. The original territory became the state of Texas, and parts of New Mexico, Colorado, Wyoming, Oklahoma and Kansas
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I think Tejas would make a fine foreign country to whup on.
Them big hats and belt buckles and bigger egos can be seen from space. Easy pickin's. Hey, quit starin' at my belt buckle.
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I think Tejas would make a fine foreign country to whup on.
Them big hats and belt buckles and bigger egos can be seen from space. Easy pickin's. Don't give up your day job cause you aren't a very good comedian.......... As far as your opinion of Jorge...you couldn't be more wrong. He is one of the finer people I have had the pleasure of meeting and hunting with.
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Let's not forget that Texas has the two biggest army bases in the United States (ft hood and ft bliss) both mechanized infantry divisions made up of many young texans that signed the dotted line right here in Texas. Chit would get interesting for sure! Those be federal troops. Maybe you forgot the "Foreign and Domestic" part. UCMJ would deal with those who opt out fairly quickly...
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Let's not forget that Texas has the two biggest army bases in the United States (ft hood and ft bliss) both mechanized infantry divisions made up of many young texans that signed the dotted line right here in Texas. Chit would get interesting for sure! True I'm guesen we would be in for a porken Pert Darn Quick It just would not be allowed. There is no longer a good outcome Snake
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We'll just torture em with naked pictures of Renee Zellweger...
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I'd like to see Obama try to tell these proud young men and women from Texas serving in the army that their friends,families and statesman are domestic threats, I'm thinking that wouldn't go over as we'll as you suggest! I don't believe the UCMJ would be convincing enough either.
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