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As far as the river, think they call it a "mile wide and an inch deep" for a reason. Great pics of recovery. Makes me think of duck hunting more than elk. Thought that was the Powder
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No, it was the Platte that was referred to in this way.
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Lorne, You made me curious so looked it up. Looks like both rivers were referred to in this manner. Interesting to me as I drive along the North Platte and always thought of it in this manner. Need to get a look at the Powder some day. Take care.
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One thing nobody has mentioned in this thread is ANYTIME you hit the big shoulder joint with an expanding bullet there's usually quite a bit of meat damage, due to bone fragments blowing every which way. This is usually exagerrated in animals bigger than deer, because there's more bone. I've seen meat damage like due to shoulder-joint hits from a number of different bullets, even monolithics like the Barnes TSX and Nosler E-Tip, which normally don't damage as much meat as bullets that lose some weight.
I've shot a number of big animals with the 250 9.3mm AccuBond, and in most 9.3mm rounds (such as the 9.3x62 and 9.3x74) the velocity isn't high enough to do much meat damage, especially since the 250 is designed to retain more weight than smaller AccuBonds. The only one I've ever recovered was from the second, angling-away hit on a good-sized grizzly, the cartridge the 9.3 B-S, the short-action equivalent of the 9.3x62. The bullet entered the rear of the right ribs and ended up under the skin of the neck on the opposite side, retaining 83% of its weight. That's at a muzzle velocity of 2600 fps and at a range of about 50 yards.
Yes, AccuBonds can blow apart meat, especially the lighter models at high velocities. But the 250-grain is normally very meat friendly from the 9.3x62 and similar cartridges.
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30338 Seems to me I remember some discussion of it in 'Centennial'(by Michener) as well ; on the other hand my memory ......well they say its the 2nd thing to go Cheers
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Seems to me the bullets killed that Elk handily. A shot Elk is going to have meat destruction. This isn't how they kill a Steer in a slaughterhouse!
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Well you lost part of a shoulder, its still better than loosing 100% of the Elk. My guess from the photo that you might get a little off of it for burger or sausage. I once lived in a moose camp for 14 days and the only thing we had was a shot up shoulder of a caribou, the Outfitter was a turd. The Cook was able to make it work and as I recall he made some teal good chow. Me and three other fellows were not to happy about it considering what we were paying for that fly out Newfoundland Moose hunt at the time. Next time shoot them in the ribs or a neck shot.
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Well you lost part of a shoulder, its still better than loosing 100% of the Elk. Agreed!!!
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This is just me, but unless the critter is quartering to me I haven't found a reason yet to punch the shoulders. Lots of meat loss, and those fronts make for excellent burger. As well, I've see plenty of critters take a hike after being hit in one or two front's anyway. The idea that a shoulder hit always takes them to the turf is far from what I've seen...
Dober Mark I could not agree more, I only take boilerroom shots at cow elk. no meat loss and the animal never goes far.
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Better to lose part of a shoulder than the whole animal.
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Shot w/a 9.3x62 at a range of about 75 yds. I think next year I'll go w/a different bullet, or maybe just stay away from the shoulders. That certainly brings out the 'WOW' factor!!! Lots of similar stories and results, most associated with some very popular bullets. Only a very few rarely receive such consistent notoriety. Nice to have choices........
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oct 24 we were in NM and it was so dry and warm(80+) the ground not to mention the vegetation crunched so loud it blew any chance of sneaking. never saw any cows but first day saw 2 spikes bulls across canyon 700yds. but didn't have a bull tag.
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Well thank goodness it wasn't a rear shoulder. That's were the really good steaks come from.
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Double Lung shots for me with Accubonds on any animial. Lost alot of good eats with the shoulder hit on a cow elk. I would say it would be a bit different if trying to anchor a large trophy class animal and going for the shoulder.
Maybe its the bowhunter in me to aim more for the lungs.
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Right, where is that rear shoulder?
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where is that rear shoulder Obviously right behind the front one. I myself simplify things by simply aiming at a shoulder.
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