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Originally Posted by bigwhoop

I think the industry went the lightweight route as another avenue to catch the consumer. Better machine techniques and new stock material all lent itself well to making rifles 2+ pounds lighter.



Guys, I was a 'hungry' fish in the 80s. I was more than ready for a light rifle. I bought the first Ruger U L in 308 that I could find.

I've never regretted it HOWEVER, after getting a light rifle all up, I find 7-7 1/2 lbs fits me perfectly.

That said, you can't start with 7-7 1/2 lbs and ADD anything to it and wind up at the same weight.


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Folks are gonna hunt with what they have. What they have is a matter of disposable income first, and experience second. If they stick with it there will likely be some shufflin' if the deck now and then.


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Well I'll tell you what guys, I just spent $4 on a Powerball ticket and at 400 Million plus...after I win wink I'll pick up a Finnlight in .300 Win Mag just to try it.... grin


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Originally Posted by CowboyTim
Well I'll tell you what guys, I just spent $4 on a Powerball ticket and at 400 Million plus...after I win wink I'll pick up a Finnlight in .300 Win Mag just to try it.... grin


Your're not only missing the boat...

you just SUNK $4.00 grin


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Better $4 than $40...


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Interesting thread.

Today I hunted for the first time with a Remington 600 Mohawk. While not exactly a lightweight it did get me thinking about lighter rifles since we walk a few miles to our hunting spot. Looking into a Kimber Montana.........the reason for my thread in the Hunting Rifles forum !!!

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I got a used stainless Tikka T3 in .308. Took off the rings and scope that were on it and replaced them with a DNZ Game Reaper and Zeiss 3-9x40.

I may be wrong, but I really think the guys talking about 7-7.5 pounds "all up" being a good weight for a rifle are on to something.

It balances and shoulders really nicely.

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A 7.5 lb rifle chambered in a standard cartridge and a magnum weighing .5-.75 more is like peas and carrots.
I want a critter hitter and not a sprayer and prayer. With that said I haven't ever been able to shoot a ultra lightweight rifle as good as one of moderate weight and honestly a 8lb gun has never bothered me while hunting in the mountains.
I am sure guys will chime in saying they can shoot 6lbs guns very well, and maybe they can. I can not and a guy has to know his limitations.

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BW had shot this little 7-08 just a few times from the bench to sight it in and get used to it. His shot was ranged at 346 yards and the sheep moved beyond that by a bit before he shot. He had no problem hitting the sheep on the first and only shot.
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For some reason he said nothing about wanting a heavier rifle, yet it weighs a bit less than seven pounds, loaded, scoped (6x42 Leupold), and wearing a sling... If someone cannot hit a big game animal size target at hunting distances with a light rifle they need to look a lot closer at what they are trying to do.

In general, obviouly, the longer the shot, the more time you will have to find or build a decent rest.

The 375AI moves around enough in recoil it needs a bit of weight to tame it... While it will get used (carried) in steep stuff it will only get a trip or two up the mountainside on a typical Kodiak hunt and will not be carried all day, every day like a mountain hunt requires. A little extra weight is rational.
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I typically hunt with heavier rifles, but I do enjoy a stroll now and then with my Montana.

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Originally Posted by Sitka deer
BW had shot this little 7-08 just a few times from the bench to sight it in and get used to it. His shot was ranged at 346 yards and the sheep moved beyond that by a bit before he shot. He had no problem hitting the sheep on the first and only shot.
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For some reason he said nothing about wanting a heavier rifle, yet it weighs a bit less than seven pounds, loaded, scoped (6x42 Leupold), and wearing a sling... If someone cannot hit a big game animal size target at hunting distances with a light rifle they need to look a lot closer at what they are trying to do.

In general, obviouly, the longer the shot, the more time you will have to find or build a decent rest.

The 375AI moves around enough in recoil it needs a bit of weight to tame it... While it will get used (carried) in steep stuff it will only get a trip or two up the mountainside on a typical Kodiak hunt and will not be carried all day, every day like a mountain hunt requires. A little extra weight is rational.
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Art, I qualified my statement with "I".
I took a Dall my freshman year of HS with a wood stocked 7mm Weatherby, which I am guessing went 9.5lbs all up. I never noticed the weight of the rifle. However the Brooks are not really high elevation where we hunted.

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Eighteen months ago I went looking for a medium bore bolt action rifle that could be used for any big game that I hunt under any conditions.

Really, I was looking for another .35 Whelen but could not find what I was looking for at a particular price point and within a certain time frame.

In checking a large dealer's website here in Ontario, with whom I'd done significant business, I noted 2 rifles that appeared to qualify: One was a .338 RUM in a Remington 700 with gray-laminate stock, stainless action and barrel. The barrel was 26", and the rifle was slightly used but with perhaps only a box of ammo through its bore. And the price was right.

The other was a T3 Lite with 22.4" tube in 9.3 X 62. The stock was synthetic and the action blued. It also had a magazine clip holding 3. I'd never owned a 9.3 X 62 before but I figured it was at least as good as a .35 Whelen and perhaps a bit better ballistically.

The .338 RUM would certainly be tough enough to withstand the rigors of all-weather hunting and tramping around in rough brush country here in Ontario. It's ballistics would be similar to my former .340 Wby with its 26" tube, and perhaps slightly better.

The prices of the two rifles were close enough that I couldn't chose one over the other based solely on that! What to do? I went to their shop and asked to look at and handle each. I also found that they had handloading components for each including dies.

I handled each separately, working the action on each, shouldering them, looking them over carefully. Ballistics were considered but I judged that what one could do so could the other. The RUM would be faster with a flatter trajectory, but the 9.3 with the right load could reach out to 400 yards without much difficulty in moose hunting if it came down to that. But truthfully, I'd never fired at a big game animal at 400 yards in over 50 years of hunting!

But the decision wasn't made until I handled both rifles, side by side, in each hand... then it was no contest! I chose the T3 Lite in 9.3 X 62 because the distinct differences in weight and handling made the immediate choice for me, and it was really no contest!

My T3 Lite weighs 7.4 lbs ready to hunt with 3 in the magazine, a 2-7 X 35mm Burris Fullfield II scope and a 1" nylon sling. I've now carried it, mostly in hand carry, for 5 seasons of hunting and I have absolutely NO regrets! Yes, it recoils smartly shooting the 286s at 2500 fps +, but it's not something I'm unaccustomed to. The RUM would have 22% more recoil burning 50% more powder, while weighing, yes, about 2 lbs more and 4-inches longer.

I now think that a 7 - 7.5 lb big game rifle with 22 - 23" barrel, all up ready to hunt, in synthetic and perhaps stainless, is about the perfect rig for anything I hunt from wolf to moose. And in 9.3 X 62 of course. grin

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For you guys who have done the research and pulled the trigger on a lightweight rifle, thoughts on the Finnlight versus the Montana? The Finnlight is heavier, but aside from that, other thoughts/concerns between the two options?

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Rifle weight never mattered much to me. I never had to walk terribly far, and the terrain was flat at sea level.

Then two things happened.

I started getting old (55 now) and went to Montana on an elk hunt.

Now the only thing I'll buy is lightweight rifles. Couple that with the fact that for 99.5% of your hunt, all you do is carry that rifle around and only really use it very briefly.

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Originally Posted by DELGUE
Rifle weight never mattered much to me. I never had to walk terribly far, and the terrain was flat at sea level.

Then two things happened.

I started getting old (55 now) and went to Montana on an elk hunt.

Now the only thing I'll buy is lightweight rifles. Couple that with the fact that for 99.5% of your hunt, all you do is carry that rifle around and only really use it very briefly. Age and real mountains teach a man fast.



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Originally Posted by Techsan
For you guys who have done the research and pulled the trigger on a lightweight rifle, thoughts on the Finnlight versus the Montana? The Finnlight is heavier, but aside from that, other thoughts/concerns between the two options?


I've never owned a Finnlight, but I handled many at my local shop. I've owned several Montana's. I chose the Montana because of barrel length and the blind mag. The Finnlights (243 and 7-08) that have tempted me both had shorter barrels (20" vs 22" on the Montana).

I'd almost make a bet that the Finnlights would shoot better out of the box. If they had 2" more barrel length, I'd probably already own one.....and I may still in the future.


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I have gotten where I carry my 84M even when I hunt from a stand. Several counties require the hunter to be 8' off of the ground to use a rifle so you can't get down and do much walking but it's nice to save a couple of pounds when you are carring a 40 lb climbing stand.


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Originally Posted by CZ550
Eighteen months ago I went looking for a medium bore bolt action rifle that could be used for any big game that I hunt under any conditions.

Really, I was looking for another .35 Whelen but could not find what I was looking for at a particular price point and within a certain time frame.

In checking a large dealer's website here in Ontario, with whom I'd done significant business, I noted 2 rifles that appeared to qualify: One was a .338 RUM in a Remington 700 with gray-laminate stock, stainless action and barrel. The barrel was 26", and the rifle was slightly used but with perhaps only a box of ammo through its bore. And the price was right.

The other was a T3 Lite with 22.4" tube in 9.3 X 62. The stock was synthetic and the action blued. It also had a magazine clip holding 3. I'd never owned a 9.3 X 62 before but I figured it was at least as good as a .35 Whelen and perhaps a bit better ballistically.

The .338 RUM would certainly be tough enough to withstand the rigors of all-weather hunting and tramping around in rough brush country here in Ontario. It's ballistics would be similar to my former .340 Wby with its 26" tube, and perhaps slightly better.

The prices of the two rifles were close enough that I couldn't chose one over the other based solely on that! What to do? I went to their shop and asked to look at and handle each. I also found that they had handloading components for each including dies.

I handled each separately, working the action on each, shouldering them, looking them over carefully. Ballistics were considered but I judged that what one could do so could the other. The RUM would be faster with a flatter trajectory, but the 9.3 with the right load could reach out to 400 yards without much difficulty in moose hunting if it came down to that. But truthfully, I'd never fired at a big game animal at 400 yards in over 50 years of hunting!

But the decision wasn't made until I handled both rifles, side by side, in each hand... then it was no contest! I chose the T3 Lite in 9.3 X 62 because the distinct differences in weight and handling made the immediate choice for me, and it was really no contest!

My T3 Lite weighs 7.4 lbs ready to hunt with 3 in the magazine, a 2-7 X 35mm Burris Fullfield II scope and a 1" nylon sling. I've now carried it, mostly in hand carry, for 5 seasons of hunting and I have absolutely NO regrets! Yes, it recoils smartly shooting the 286s at 2500 fps +, but it's not something I'm unaccustomed to. The RUM would have 22% more recoil burning 50% more powder, while weighing, yes, about 2 lbs more and 4-inches longer.

I now think that a 7 - 7.5 lb big game rifle with 22 - 23" barrel, all up ready to hunt, in synthetic and perhaps stainless, is about the perfect rig for anything I hunt from wolf to moose. And in 9.3 X 62 of course. grin

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That sounds like a sweet rig. And I agree, synthetic stainless, 7.5lbs-ish, and a 2-7 or straight six is my idea of perfection.


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Originally Posted by CowboyTim
Well I'll tell you what guys, I just spent $4 on a Powerball ticket and at 400 Million plus...after I win wink I'll pick up a Finnlight in .300 Win Mag just to try it.... grin


Screw that, if I win I'm going to buy Winchester and run it right until I go broke. Or Dakota, or D'Arcy Echols. Maybe all of 'em. laugh


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The funny thing about all this "light but not too light" talk is that guys like Jack O' Connor had this same thing figured out over 50 years ago. I have an old article around somewhere where he talks about the perfect mountain rifle - around 7.5 lbs all up. I agree.

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