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Yes, there is an answer. The shooter was demonically possessed. That's not "PC" to say in a godless society. We all saw it yesterday. Sadly, no one is willing to call a spade a spade.
It was evil. Pure, Satanic, straight from the pit of hell, evil. Yep, not PC, not "rational", not "informed" but it is the best answer I've found. After reading all the theories and working with bad people for many years possession is the truest explanation yet. I know many who have worked with the same types of people and most of them would agree.
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But it is quite a bit beyond my understanding why he would then go to her place of work and kill so many innocent little children. And honestly, I'm glad it's beyond my understanding. In his sick and twisted mind he most likely felt that mommy was giving her students the love and affection she neglected to provide for him. Jealousy...
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I think of the story of Jack the Ripper - who was a huge media sensation in Victorian England. The papers were publishing his letters, and then they realized they were only encouraging him to kill additional women. The murders stopped, possibly for other reasons as well, but the crimes stopped.
I think at least part of these crimes are motivated by attention-seeking, and wish the media would not publish the name and face of this monster. Let the professionals dissect his life off-camera, to study the crime, but in the media, focus on the victims and heroes - give the killer no publicity. Make it clear that he has become nothing when he commits such an act.
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His Mommy bought the guns, probably because he could not and she found him out so he killed her or she would of stopped the sick bastard.
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My mother went on and on for days asking WHY after my brother murdered my sister and a neighbor. I finally had enough and told her what answer are you looking for? There is no answer, there is no why, there is no rational explanation for the irrational.
Assuming the above statement is true, pretty well explains many statements in the past. GW
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I wonder how much his meds had to do with it. Most of SSRI meds have side effects of homicde or suicde when given to young people.
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Also, I wonder what meds if any, the monsters at Columbine, Aurora, VA Tech and any other of the mass shootings were on.
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The concept of sin, as exhibited by a human with a sinful nature, is fairly explanatory of such situations.
Whether that nature was driven by internal choices, external influences from the spiritual or cultural realm, or a giving over of his own will to 'possessive' forces, it's all the same.
He was ultimately responsible for what he chose to do, and what he did is thankfully incomprehensible to most.
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The search for answers needs to begin with the shooter and his family and then move onto the legislature and the courts.
Information is coming out the shooter was a "loner" who was intelligent and with autistic tendencies who was estranged from his other brother and father.
This kid needed mental health help and more than anything a connection to "normalcy" as usually provided by family and friends. This does 2 things, it gives guidence and it gives the family feed back on his behavior.
It sounds like he was a huge gamer as well. This only re-inforces his negative feelings toward people and society. At the risk of sounding like a liberal, he needed to be shown some love and affection by those around him and it sounds like he got nothing but loneliness and isolation. Intentional or accidental, that's what he got.
I could go on but I hope you all get my point. This young man felt like he had nothing to lose and you know the results. kwg
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I wonder how much his meds had to do with it. Most of SSRI meds have side effects of homicde or suicde when given to young people. That's quite a bit of oversimplification. Millions of people treated with those drugs don't suicide and don't commit murders. There is a documented correlation with SSRI's and adolescent suicide, homicide not so much AFAIK. If you have newer info re homicides, please advise.
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We dont value life like we once did. Somebody knew this kid was nuts and chose to ignore or deny the fact. At some point the same this is found to be the case with most mass murderers. If it is indeed, impossible to identify the potential killers ahead of time, we are reduced to forever playing defence. If there is an underlying social cause (and I doubt that legalized abortion plays a huge role here), we had better identify it, accept resposibility for it (if such resposibility exists) and figure out how to act on it. Otherwise, we will spend our time on meaningless political posturing while we keep growing killers. With this in mind I see no reason not to try and understand how homicidal wackos are made. I also think such investigation has to be society-wide to foster understanding of cause and effect in as many as possible. GD
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Doc, why are millions on drugs. Could this be part of the problem. When I was a young boy in school, I believe I may have had ADHD or something. The old principal would call me down to his office when I acted up. He would whip my azz with a paddle. That cured me for the rest of the week. Hasbeen
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My mother went on and on for days asking WHY after my brother murdered my sister and a neighbor. I finally had enough and told her what answer are you looking for? There is no answer, there is no why, there is no rational explanation for the irrational.
Assuming the above statement is true, pretty well explains many statements in the past. GW Why the hell would they not be true?
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I'm curious to see if they'll publicize what his computer habits were - a couple of years ago I heard some guys laughing about the Grand theft auto computer game, because if you know the right codes, you can hire a hooker, your character gets serviced, then you can get your money back by killing the hooker - you can shoot her or you can save ammo by beating her to death. How many kids are playing out these fanatsies behind their bedroom doors, how many games like this are under the Christmas tree right now? Jackass videos have boys doing acts to themselves and others that are planned to give them pain and injury, just so the spectators can laugh at how they deal with pain. Kids can pull up videos of taliban beheadings, people commiting suicide, fatal accidents, all manner of crime scene photos, autopsy and porn - and we wonder why an odd kid can go out and do something like this? These are kids of both conservative church-going and liberal choose your own way parents, and everything in between. They just don't have the nuts to tell their kids "no!" An 11 year old told me he thought "Silence of the Lambs" was a cool movie - and I've never had the urge to finish watching it after I quit part way through with the thought: "Why and I putting this into my head?" Folks can throw all kind of blame on guns, NRA, obamacare, medicines or whatever their pet resentment is, but IMHO, it all boils down to the fact that the permissiveness and morality of ALL Americans is in complete wreckage. At this point in our cultural state of affairs, no amount of gun control or mental health counseling is going to help us - it has become a defensive battle. It is more important that ever that gun owners establish rational, intelligent arguments against poor gun control issues, and propose solutions that will preserve our rights, and turn the debate to why so many people are killing people, not the guns they're using.
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I think of the story of Jack the Ripper - who was a huge media sensation in Victorian England. The papers were publishing his letters, and then they realized they were only encouraging him to kill additional women. The murders stopped, possibly for other reasons as well, but the crimes stopped.
I think at least part of these crimes are motivated by attention-seeking, and wish the media would not publish the name and face of this monster. Let the professionals dissect his life off-camera, to study the crime, but in the media, focus on the victims and heroes - give the killer no publicity. Make it clear that he has become nothing when he commits such an act. Very true. It's time for the media to show some restraint and limit publication of these events. Without media glory I'm willing to bet these tragedies would be reduced by 75% or more.
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Doc, why are millions on drugs. Could this be part of the problem. When I was a young boy in school, I believe I may have had ADHD or something. The old principal would call me down to his office when I acted up. He would whip my azz with a paddle. That cured me for the rest of the week. Hasbeen The medical establishment sticks youngsters on 'medication' at an alarming rate. Do the math.
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I'm curious to see if they'll publicize what his computer habits were - a couple of years ago I heard some guys laughing about the Grand theft auto computer game, because if you know the right codes, you can hire a hooker, your character gets serviced, then you can get your money back by killing the hooker - you can shoot her or you can save ammo by beating her to death. How many kids are playing out these fanatsies behind their bedroom doors, how many games like this are under the Christmas tree right now? Jackass videos have boys doing acts to themselves and others that are planned to give them pain and injury, just so the spectators can laugh at how they deal with pain. Kids can pull up videos of taliban beheadings, people commiting suicide, fatal accidents, all manner of crime scene photos, autopsy and porn - and we wonder why an odd kid can go out and do something like this? These are kids of both conservative church-going and liberal choose your own way parents, and everything in between. They just don't have the nuts to tell their kids "no!" An 11 year old told me he thought "Silence of the Lambs" was a cool movie - and I've never had the urge to finish watching it after I quit part way through with the thought: "Why and I putting this into my head?" Folks can throw all kind of blame on guns, NRA, obamacare, medicines or whatever their pet resentment is, but IMHO, it all boils down to the fact that the permissiveness and morality of ALL Americans is in complete wreckage. At this point in our cultural state of affairs, no amount of gun control or mental health counseling is going to help us - it has become a defensive battle. It is more important that ever that gun owners establish rational, intelligent arguments against poor gun control issues, and propose solutions that will preserve our rights, and turn the debate to why so many people are killing people, not the guns they're using. Excellent post, and in my opinion very true.
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