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Certain opinions are beyond the pale among freedom loving people, and yours is one of them. You're free to have them, but don't expect to be well received here for them.

Maybe because the 2nd is the most important right we have as a people. Lose it and everything else is lost!

Passioned fighting amongst ourselves in the immediate aftermath of a this tragedy is unproductive and futile.

It's wiser to direct our fight to our gun lobbies and representatives as we await Feinstein's Bill in January.

Nothing is going to occur legislatively before then.

Guns are not the issue.

The worst school massacre in US history happened in 1927 , 45 dead , 58 injured.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster


Now , fast foreward to the present day.
Most if not all of the school shooters are either on or withdrawing from psychiatric pharmaceuticals , Paxil , Prozac , Ritalin , etc. We are pumping these kids full of drugs.

Lack of a gun is not going to stop them.

Most of the perps are above average intelligence , they can go to the grocery store or Wal Mart & get the stuff to build a bomb. Instructions are on the internet.

The Colorado shooters had bombs , they were crude & didn't go off but they were on that track.

The Batman movie shooter had his apartment booby trapped with more sophisticated bombs that would have worked had not the police been tipped off. And it took the police days to defuse that situation.

As long as these kids keep getting pumped full of those DRUGS they will find a way to cause mayhem , guns or not.

It's the drugs not the guns.


Mike

Colonel Grossman is right.

Thank you ,you know this is something else the BIG HEARTED thinking folks from the big cities don't THINK about...Everybody doesn't live within spitting distance of a Cop Shop.When AMERICA'S guns are BANNED that means EVERY BODY,and people in remote areas ares will be screwed .Wake up people.I don't know who this guy is, but he ain't right.

Because in your posts you advocate magazine restrictions.

And you claim some magical insight into what it would have taken to trigger some kind of emotional awakening that would stop one of these POS's.

Post your credentials as a psychiatrist with a record of dealing with this type of person and I'll take you seriously.

Barring that? You're just one of many, many jackasses spewing ideas as they pop into your head that by somehow restricting law-abiding American citizens you will save us from ourselves and the forces of evil.

You don't own more than me, I own everything from .22 handguns to .458 Lott bolt guns and a .470 NE double and everything in between including ARs, AKs, vz.58s, Sig 556s, etc and I'm not giving any of them up. If you're not advocating giving in then what are you advocating? You've already said you are fine with giving up hi-cap mags and your implying it is fine to give up ARs and other military style semi-autos in the hopes of avoiding a total ban on semi-autos. Sounds like your okay with me giving up my ARs and AKs so you can keep your Browning Hi-Power. I'm not okay with that.

Your logic is flawed and your living in a fantasy world. Justify your logic to yourself anyway you want, but what your trying to convey is pure BS. It does not matter if you reload twice, or 5 times.

It's like taking away everyone's cars because of drunk drivers, without addressing the real problem of alcohol abuse and personal responsibility. Same logic, but the liberals own cars which would affect then, so no way in hell is that going to happen.

When you advocate the watering down of rights, people can get very teste, such as is happening right now with the pressure that is about to come

Our problem isn't the weapon used but the person. The 2A was established to prevent far more destruction than the terrrible tragedy in CT. The last centrury saw 200 million killed by their govts.

There is a reason we have thus had a relatively benign govt. Does anyone thing it is just coincidence that the largest grab for control of the American people will now I predict, have the greatest fight of our life to protect the 2A?

Our govt has no concern for the 22 children killed. They have no care for those lost in Bengazi. Obama has no concern for the innocent children he voted to kill by abortion.

Anyone who goes along for "reasonable" gun laws should know that they will be playing into the hands of those like Stalin and Hitler who wanted "reasonable" gun laws. Don't believe it?

Also you will not save one child's life.


Here is a about the Bath School killlings. Also look at the Happyland Fire that killed 87 people with a $1 of gas.

The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, and four other adults; at least 58 people were injured. The perpetrator first killed his wife, and committed suicide with his last explosion. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7�14 years of age[1]) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history.

The bomber was the school board treasurer Andrew Kehoe, 55, who was angry after being defeated in the spring 1926 election for township clerk. He was thought to have planned his "murderous revenge" after that public defeat; he had a reputation for difficulty on the school board and in personal dealings. For much of the next year, a neighbor noticed Kehoe had stopped working on his farm and thought he might be planning suicide. During that period, Kehoe carried out steps in his plan to destroy the school and his farm by purchasing and hiding explosives.

Kehoe's wife was ill with tuberculosis and he had stopped making mortgage payments; he was under pressure for foreclosure. Some time between May 16 and the morning of May 18, 1927, Kehoe murdered his wife by hitting her on the head. On the morning of May 18 about 8:45, he exploded incendiary devices in his house and farm buildings, setting them on fire and destroying them.

Almost simultaneously, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many schoolchildren. Kehoe had used a timed detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of incendiary pyrotol, which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers gathered at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and used a rifle to detonate dynamite inside his shrapnel-filled truck, killing himself, the school superintendent, and several others nearby, as well as injuring more bystanders. During rescue efforts at the school, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the south wing. Kehoe had apparently intended to blow up and destroy the whole school

I understand. That is why I posted my thoughts for discussion. NO WHERE did I advocate any sort of ban on anything. As I stated I own a Rec 7 and hi power that I would never give up. I expected some flames but questioning my 2nd amendment commitment and worse is a bit too much.

Posting a thought that may be contrary to the general thinking here elicits a response that reminds me of the way the left attacked any conservative thinking in the last election.

Did I mention I am an NRA member and Staunch conservative? Sorry I started this discussion .

Good post

Go back and read your posts. IF in fact you are not FOS you should be able to tell why you got repudiated so strongly. Otherwise, go play your victim card somewhere else. Huffpo? Demo underground?

You were talking about us giving up something to get something,apparently.I'm not giving up anything.And I won't just give in to anything.The Constitution is not to be compromised for any reason.There are a lots of folks on here that shed blood and watch friends die for this Constitution,and for what ever reason you were trying to pick at us for was wrong.We ain't giving any compromise.

And nobody mentioned the 22 children that were attacked by a knife wielder in China?
An assault knife ban will be next.
Oh, I forgot, England already does that! (And what is the crime rate there?)

Myron

Victim card? Not sure what you mean there. The only thing I questioned is high capacity mags. And I do mean "question". I have not advocated anything in my posts. Can't fool you friend. How did you know I am with the Huffington Post? Damn, thought I had made a solid infiltration.

A friend of mine from grad school did a summer internship in London several years ago. He hadn't been there a week before 3 guys broke into his apartment while he was home and beat the hell out of him and stole everything he had. They don't worry at all about doing home invasions while people are home because they know everyone has been disarmed.

Free men cannot be disarmed,the reason for 2nd ADM. Despite what the sheep are trying to say it is not about hunting or shooting, it is about a person being able to defend against a repressive governing rule. That means the tools of the day.

Calling BS on the release posted by the OP hardly indicates a misunderstanding of the coming battle. If runaway alarmism over the pending fight prevents you from seeing the difference -- and causes you to fling knee-jerk insults at people who stand firmly in defense of the 2nd Amendment -- perhaps yours is the head that's misplaced.