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Nosler no.5 has 30-06 Ai data and shows 2,985 with a 180 and 62.0 of RL22 (24" bbl.)... however, all the other 180 loads listed with other powders are below 2,900, and it doesn't list any 165 over 2,950 which is kinda strange given the RL22/180 load.
I've run that exact powder charge with moly coated 180 gr Sierra SBT's out of my 25" barreled '06AI and it chronographs 2935 fps. Don't know if I could run more powder due to the moly or not. I like my AI but I don't know if I would do it again. I might have gone with the .280AI given my primary use of it on deer and such. I have bigger stuff for elk.
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30-06AI is probably quite capable, but the reason I wouldn't do it...the cases are ugly. How's that for a loony reason. 
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Too funny, I've got a case sitting here and I feel it's muy bueno....  Dober (spose it'll fit in a clip for a T3? I'll find out this morning)
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I must say the 338-06 may be the most perfectly proportioned and shaped cartridge out there. With a 225 Accubond it is a REALLY good lookin' round! But I digress...
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(spose it'll fit in a clip for a T3? I'll find out this morning) FYI I checked some .280AI ammo thru a T3 .30/06 magazine and they worked just fine.
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American Rifleman ran an article about the chambering many years ago. Being young and gullible I had an 06 rechambered to the improved version. Some time later I concluded that it was a definite mistake. Little increase in velocity without an increase in pressure, inconvenience, no noticable benefit in accuracy or in killing animals. The only upside I can see is that it provides shooters a chance to experiment and discuss the chambering with other loonies, and, of course, that is not a small benefit.
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The 200g AB is a looong bullet...:) [img:left] ![[Linked Image]](http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p37/tomk-album/06AI_zpsdbfcf07d.jpg) [/img]
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Seems I know someone that has a 30/06AI ![[Linked Image]](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/Shoalcove/Rifle1/06ai-1.jpg) ![[Linked Image]](http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b297/Shoalcove/Rifle1/06ai1.jpg)
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Unless some makers have changed their dimensions, all 30/06 AI reamers have been made to incorrect dimensions since the inception. This is due to an error in Ackley's drawing. Not a safety issue, mind you, and you will never have to trim since there is an extra .031" of space for the case to grow! GD
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4 me not needing to trim is far and away the most attractive thingy about an AI to me. The xtra bit of gas is just frosting.
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Steve, I'm surprised at the velocities you observed with the 30AI as I spent some time with the 35 Whelen Imp and if it got 50-75 fps more than it's daddy it was because I lied to myself. 'course, I didn't have all the powders we have today either.
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Thx-that's good info. I can't splain it but this is one round that's always perked my fancy. I kind of think of it as a poor mans 300 WSM...grin
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4 me not needing to trim is far and away the most attractive thingy about an AI to me. The xtra bit of gas is just frosting.
Dober I completely agree. I hear all this complaining about fireforming and I just don't get it? I like to shoot [bleep]! I don't think I would ever build on the '06, 308, and a few other cases and not AI. Off the rack, I might not bother. But then again...... 
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Does anyone have info on .30-06 AI and .300 SAUM compared for case capacity? Guess I should get some ballistics software for the PC that might tell me these things. I think that Mule Deer wrote about 280 AI and 7 SAUM having about equal case capacity, and performance. I imagine the 30-cals might be nearly the same, too.
However, a .300 SAUM might be hard enough to find that making a .30-06 AI would be easier, supposing we only care how it performs, and not if it is a standard loading.
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I worked up loads for a friend's 30-06. Pushing 165 AB's with 63 gr's, compressed, of RL22 produces 3070 fps in his 22" Rem 700.
I was amazed. It would have never worked out that way had it been my gun. Mine would have likely hit 2850 max. That's just the way it goes for me.
I get the same speed from my 300 WSM with 165's. He calls it my 30-06 because he knows I despise the cartridge. But, I surely cannot argue its merit.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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I worked up loads for a friend's 30-06. Pushing 165 AB's with 63 gr's, compressed, of RL22 produces 3070 fps in his 22" Rem 700. Standard 30-06?
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I worked up loads for a friend's 30-06. Pushing 165 AB's with 63 gr's, compressed, of RL22 produces 3070 fps in his 22" Rem 700.
I was amazed. It would have never worked out that way had it been my gun. Mine would have likely hit 2850 max. I recall a friends 30/06 that produced about the same velocity from a pre 64 M70 FW barrel but with IMR4350...we were mystified by it all until we had the bore slugged and it came in at a bit over .309 through the grooves. I used another pre 64 with the exact load Reloder mentions (I believe that RL22 load is listed in the Nosler manual)and it barely broke 2800 fps....I had to drop back to RL19 and work to 61 grains to get 2950 or so. All of this is a duplication of what some guys were doing with N205 a while back in the 30/06 case.Whether an AI provides a boost in vels seems to depend as much on what barrel you end up with as anything else.
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I worked up loads for a friend's 30-06. Pushing 165 AB's with 63 gr's, compressed, of RL22 produces 3070 fps in his 22" Rem 700.
I was amazed. It would have never worked out that way had it been my gun. Mine would have likely hit 2850 max. That's just the way it goes for me.
I get the same speed from my 300 WSM with 165's. He calls it my 30-06 because he knows I despise the cartridge. But, I surely cannot argue its merit. I have a .30/06 like that. It safely consumes loads that most people say are too high, yet primers stay round with cases falling out of the chamber. For this reason, I use the chronograph and accuracy levels to determined where I stop.
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I worked up loads for a friend's 30-06. Pushing 165 AB's with 63 gr's, compressed, of RL22 produces 3070 fps in his 22" Rem 700. Standard 30-06? Yes sir.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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loder, that's pretty impressive velocity at 22". Factory issue barrel?
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