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Well here I go. I get really worn out when someone post on here they don't want to buy "premium" bullets (whatever that means) because they are too expensive YET they come on here wanting to know what the best bullet is to kill a deer. I MIGHT understand if you were someone who had to shoot a 100 deer a day but give me a break, how many shots are you shooting, if you are shooting 100's of rounds, then buy the cheap blems and blaze away.
During hunting season I would bet most of us might go through 100 rounds, testing loads, practicing, etc. but when hunting how many shots do you take? Enough to matter money wise? Don't we owe it to the animal to kill it with the best there is?
OR you can look at it, the blems killem as dead as the North Forks or even a Ballistice Tip. Then why even ask which bullet to use.
I think most here are like me...I'm an All Day Sucker for the latest greatest stuff there is, hell I almost spent $65 on 50 North Fork bullets at the Safari Club Show but they didn't have my size.
So my point is, if you are worried anout the cost of your bullets, buy the cheapest bullet there is and shoot it... don't ask whaich one to buy.....Rant over, ya'll can pile on now...
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308 Win., 150 gr. Interlock or Ballistic Tip, done. Whatever I owed to the deer, those two paid it in full no problem.
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For deer, regular bullets will often kill faster than a premium. If you are going after something bigger, that's a different story.
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Don't we owe it to the animal to kill it with the best there is? Upon what do you base the idea we humans owe an animal anything? I don't get it. I have used Barnes for the last several years, but next season I will be using G.S. Customs because they have an American supplier.
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For deer, regular bullets will often kill faster than a premium. This has been my experience. When you get into the zippier cartridges, the premiums going very fast kill quickly, too. The premiums seem to help maintain bullet integrity and do less meat damage compared to Cup-N-Cores at the same speed. Deer seem to like speed. Makes them lay down real soon.
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Hunted out of state. Paid a premium for the tag, a premium for fuel, a premium in time off . Not going to shoot the cheapest ammo I can find. Know a [bleep] that complained about the cost of a box of coreloks. Never spent time sighting in or other range time. That cheap box of ammo would last him 20 years maybe, seen many like him and heard of many more.
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How about a quick,humane kill?
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Cup and core have alway worked. I'm not one for changing things that aren't broken. But say what are these great premium bullets you're getting for 45 cents?
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For deer, regular bullets will often kill faster than a premium. If you are going after something bigger, that's a different story. Not in my experience.
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Is all about shot placement. Practice, practice, practice!
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Up by me, Barnes bullets in 7mm and .30 Cal are about .80 cents a piece. Hornady GMXs are .68 cents a piece. A dead buck is worth $24.00 and a dead doe or fawn is worth $12.00, good meat on the table is priceless. I can afford to hunt with whatever bullet I chose, I still use .34 cent a piece Hornady Interlocks because they work well and put deer down fast, if I needed more I'd use it. If I were hunting elk or moose, I'd probably use Partitions or monos, I just don't need them for the deer by me, maybe whitetail are tougher in other parts of the USA, I know Wyoming whitetail and mule deer aren't, because I've taken a few out there with the same schitty Hornadys I've been using for 18 yrs now, and they all died fast with very little suffering.
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How about a quick,humane kill? Still I ask, upon what do you base the idea we should try for a quick, humane kill?
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How about a quick,humane kill? Still I ask, upon what do you base the idea we should try for a quick, humane kill? I don't like tracking deer in the pucker brush.
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cost and "killing power" aside, I find the mono's (read ttsx) are often more accurate in my rifles....
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Well here I go. I get really worn out when someone post on here they don't want to buy "premium" bullets (whatever that means) because they are too expensive YET they come on here wanting to know what the best bullet is to kill a deer.Much like some of us get "worn out" when some come on here & insist money is no object & which expensive $1 a shot bullet will kill a deer the deadest with a 308 As an ealier poster pointed out C&C bullets been killing deer dead for a hundert yrs...if the shot placment is good, is there a deader than dead!
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Folks tend to make this harder than it really is. I've been killing whitetail deer for over 40 years, it ain't that hard! Many of those years we were allowed 3-4 tags. Centerfire calibers from .24 to .338. Add in round balls from a muzzle loader. Killed a few with TSXs, Sierras, Speers, Noslers, Hornady Interlock and Interbond, even a 75 gr. 25 caliber cast bullet at 2k fps. Put a bullet constructed for deer, not varmints, in the right place and get out your knife.
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For deer, regular bullets will often kill faster than a premium. If you are going after something bigger, that's a different story. I totally concur Dober
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What I don't understand is why the term 'premium' is still synonymous with tough, deep-penetrating, high weight retention bullets. Aren't there plenty of expensive, rapid expansion bullets out there today? And aren't there some cheap, tough ones, too? When someone brings up 'premium bullets for deer', do they mean expensive or tough?
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So much for missing the point.
IT is NOT the one bullet you shoot the deer with that breaks the bank, it's the test loads you have to run to find the bullet that kills the deer that breaks the bank. That plus the 3-7 bullets you fire a year to make sure your gun is sighted to kill the deer that doesn't break the bank.
The RIGHT question is - how many bullets do you fire setting up a load, and sighting in each year vs. killing the game with. More me that's about 30:1
So multiply the 45 cents a couple more times...
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For some people it seems that ratio is extreme, hundreds to one.
Depends on what you call "load development". I might only shoot a couple of deer per year, but up to 100 or so pigs plus sundry others like goats and so forth.
While the hog hunting is great sport, to an extent I also consider it load development for the deer hunting which I can travel many hours to partake in.
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