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If you limit shots to 3-350 yards, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference. From 350 and beyond, well that's a whole "nuther" story.... My exact thoughts after shooting them 30+ yrs.
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CFE-223.........
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Sooner or later our heritage of hunting is going to be a rich mans sport and the words "Outfitter" and "Hunt Industry" will be synonymous with cancer and A.I.D.S. among blue collar hunters like me and my family! (A.L. Williams - 2010)
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Thx X-verm
Side note, according to my calcs the 264 beats up on the .270 @ 500 yds. Which isn't a big shocker being as it's case is a fair bit bigger.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot to add that in a 10 mph wind the 264/140Berg @ 3200 load drifts 3.2" less than the 270/150Berg @2950.
And the diff tween the same loads in terms of drop is with the .270 one needs to turn in 1.7 more moa...
This is just me but to 500 there just isn't much diff and I can easily live with either of those. But go long (500-1K) and things will take a change for the worst for the .270.
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Thx X-verm
Side note, according to my calcs the 264 beats up on the .270 @ 500 yds. Which isn't a big shocker being as it's case is a fair bit bigger.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot to add that in a 10 mph wind the 264/140Berg @ 3200 load drifts 3.2" less than the 270/150Berg @2950.
And the diff tween the same loads in terms of drop is with the .270 one needs to turn in 1.7 more moa...
This is just me but to 500 there just isn't much diff and I can easily live with either of those. But go long (500-1K) and things will take a change for the worst for the .270.
Dober This sounds reasonable to me.....I've never used a Berger bullet in the 270 but I have killed with it to a bit over 400 yards;that's as far as I've had to use it. The 264 seems much like a 7 mag to me and I would expect the same advantages from it that the 7 mag offers.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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If you limit shots to 3-350 yards, there isn't a nickel's worth of difference. From 350 and beyond, well that's a whole "nuther" story.... Kind of like comparing a 300 winny to a 308 win huh Pat??
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Thx X-verm
Side note, according to my calcs the 264 beats up on the .270 @ 500 yds. Which isn't a big shocker being as it's case is a fair bit bigger.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot to add that in a 10 mph wind the 264/140Berg @ 3200 load drifts 3.2" less than the 270/150Berg @2950.
And the diff tween the same loads in terms of drop is with the .270 one needs to turn in 1.7 more moa...
This is just me but to 500 there just isn't much diff and I can easily live with either of those. But go long (500-1K) and things will take a change for the worst for the .270.
Dober The 130 Scirroco @3300 is where it's at IMO......... X-VERMINATOR
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Two grains over Hodgdons max...produced the 3300 for me. Like I said, zero visable pressure signs. Their published max of 49.5gr clocks 3200 in my rifle and is what I have settled on....
X-VERMINATOR Well $hit, 3300 must be safe then...
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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Two grains over Hodgdons max...produced the 3300 for me. Like I said, zero visable pressure signs. Their published max of 49.5gr clocks 3200 in my rifle and is what I have settled on....
X-VERMINATOR Well $hit, 3300 must be safe then... Book/published max's mean dick..........You've got a ways to go, junior! X-VERMINATOR
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Yeah, book max doesn't mean schit. Experienced reloaders work up a load until the rifle explodes, then buy a duplicate gun, back off one grain and call that max. Pressure signs don't often show until well over 65k psi. But you didn't need me to tell you that, with your vast experience and all.
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You did not do well in reading comp did ya... back up and re- group my friend.
Then again, I'd be happy to start a new thread rather than highjacking this one. I kinda like this one and a new thread would mean that you would have to actually load CFE223 in your 7mm-08......
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I didn't miss a thing. You loaded up to two grains over max and strangely your loads chronographed faster than book max. You backed down to book max and your velocities are still faster than the book specifies, which tells me that your rifle's combination of bore diameter, chamber dimensions, brass, etc. are producing higher pressures at that charge weight in comparison to the test rifle.
I'm glad you're seeing good velocities with CFE 223. I suspect further testing will indicate 3100 is probably about it for this powder at generally considered max pressures in a 22" 7mm-08. I'll let this convo get back to the 264 vs. 270 (as I picked up a Winchester M70 Classic 264 Win Mag yesterday in a trade), but I do have one last question: How many times has your brass been reloaded while retaining tight primer pockets?
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It isn't uncommon for a case of smaller capacity to give light bullets almost the same velocities we see form those bullets in case of larger capacity....this "observation" is older than the hills fi you been at this game long enough. This can lead to the erroneous conclusion among the uninitiated that a 7/08 is as fast as a 280 is as fast as a 7RM etc etc ad nauseum.What it generally ignores is that the larger case will still provide MORE velocity with the lighter bullets(even if not by much) and stick the smaller case's dick in the dirt with the heavier one's. To make up for this obvious inadequacy,fans of short cartridges having less capacity install 24"-26" barrels,feed them the lightest generally available bullet, pound on them until they scream,and use new miracle propellants that defy the laws of internal combustion... VOILA! the 7/08 is the equal of the 270.The 7/08 is a fine cartridge but seems it ends up in the hands of a too many stooges intent on making it a 280AI or 7RM....funny thing is these idiots expect us to believe this trash. Xvermin if I were you I'd stop jousting with Prairie Goat...he is too smart for you and is kicking your ass all over this thread.
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Have seen 3300fps via a 22" barrel and a 120 with no pressure signs using it... 3200fps should be absolutely no problem for anyone....X-VERMINATOR Dummy, your pressure sign is looking you right in the face.. Hint, its that 3300 number.
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As much as I'm a .264 wm tramp and knock the .270 in jesting it is a great round and I know of a man that shot 31 head of big game including Africa with his .270 all one shot kills including a grizzly. It's a cool cartridge but not as cool as my beloved .264 wm
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Have seen 3300fps via a 22" barrel and a 120 with no pressure signs using it... 3200fps should be absolutely no problem for anyone....X-VERMINATOR Dummy, your pressure sign is looking you right in the face.. Hint, its that 3300 number. Some people just don't get it until it's too late...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I say skip the .270 WIN and jump to a .30 cal bullet(.308 WIN). More punch and within 300 yards, really out to 500 killing deer sized game should be easy.
That's just me though. I had a .270 WIN and rid myself of it in favor of a .308. With roughly the same recoil( with the advantage of less recoil going to the .308) from similar weight rifles I thought why not use a bigger bullet? The .270 WIN trajectory is better but learning trajectory is something you will have to/should do with any caliber you use.
Anyway that's my input on why I changed the .270 WIN and upped it to the .308 WIN.
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I'm calling bs on that bs....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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Anyway that's my input on why I changed the .270 WIN and upped it to the .308 WIN.
You did NOT go UP IMO, Especially when distances stretch.
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I'm calling bs on that bs.... I'm calling bs on your calling bs on bs!
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I know of a man that shot 31 head of big game including Africa with his .270 all one shot kills including a grizzly. Tom -thx for the heads up, I'm been trying to sort out going north for griz and or across the pond. Been really stressed about the decision as I really want to do both but now I see I can do both in Africa so my life is on easy street again. Thx... Dober
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