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Dang, both are nice looking rifles.
I have a .416 and a .375 in the Winchester Model 70.
Great rifles and a LARGE dilemma for you.
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IMHO, the .375 is more versatile and can be used for almost everything in Africa with suitable bullets. I have used one for almost everything shot in Africa. The reason? Because you never know what you will see next and something's like wildebeest, zebra, and eland are large and tough.
Also, IMHO the .375 Is not an elephant gun. It is the legal minimum is a number of countries. For buffalo and larger I suggest that a .416 should be a minimum. A 404, 450/400, .458 would be better still. A minimum can be effective if placement, shot angle, brush, etc are perfect. Larger than minimum is good insurance.
So, if you wish maximum flexibility, less expensive shooting, and don't really expect buffalo and elephant keep the .375. If you do expect buff and else. Keep both and use the .416 and the .375 as a backup. That's what I did on my Buff hunt.
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IMHO, the .375 is more versatile and can be used for almost everything in Africa with suitable bullets. I have used one for almost everything shot in Africa. The reason? Because you never know what you will see next and something's like wildebeest, zebra, and eland are large and tough.
Also, IMHO the .375 Is not an elephant gun. It is the legal minimum is a number of countries. For buffalo and larger I suggest that a .416 should be a minimum. A 404, 450/400, .458 would be better still. A minimum can be effective if placement, shot angle, brush, etc are perfect. Larger than minimum is good insurance.
So, if you wish maximum flexibility, less expensive shooting, and don't really expect buffalo and elephant keep the .375. If you do expect buff and else. Keep both and use the .416 and the .375 as a backup. That's what I did on my Buff hunt. In all my fantasy African safaris I hunt the plains ungulates, cape buffalo, lion, and elephant, so perhaps I need to keep them both. Nice Cape buffalo you have there.
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Sell the 375 as it ain't an elephant rifle. Kill one? Certainly, but most anyone choosing to chase elephants would likely use something larger. The 416 fills the bill well.
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I would keep the Model 70 and sell me the Whitworth 
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Sell the 375 as it ain't an elephant rifle. Kill one? Certainly, but most anyone choosing to chase elephants would likely use something larger. The 416 fills the bill well. I'd say keep both. I have a .375 H&H custom with which I've taken cape buff (see avatar which really doesn't show it well) but I definitely want a Win 70 .416 RM too -- only for me, it should be LH, so that means a New Haven Classic.
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Keep both, they are very lovley rifles.You may regret selling them.
As for Africa......Visa card can be a bloody good friend!
Don't dream it, do it, you can always do management hunts if you have a tight budget.
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In Africa - a 375 is a medium. Keep em both.
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so is a 416
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In your world, big bores start at .458 DD.
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In your world, big bores start at .458 DD. A minor correction point sir, that would be at .458 "F"..
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What did Charles de Gaulle say when he saw a herd of elephants coming down the Champs Elysees?
"Voici les elephantes." (or something like that, it's been a long time)
What did Charles de Gaulle say when he saw a herd of elephants, all wearing sunglasses, coming down the Champs Elysees?
Nothing, he didn't recognize them.
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I have long been a Model 70 guy but absolutely dislike the 416 Remington. For no particular reason,just don't like it,my 416 is a Rigby. I would sell the Mdl 70 and keep the whitworth. I have the Whitworth in 458 and do rather like it. The 375 has always been my African 'goto' gun, I have used it on all my safaris.
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Both are nice. The 375 produces a flatter trajectory similar to a 30-06 with 180gr bullets, if that is important to you. The 416 is bigger but slower. I think I would choose the 375. Having said that, my "elephant rifle" is a 416 Rigby. I will likely never be in a situation where I need such a rifle, but that doesn't matter. I bought it for fun, and that is exactly what it is.
These cartridges recoil differently. The 375 is more of a slap, while the 416 is more of a shove. I think I prefer shooting the 416. My 416 weighs about 10 lbs, which is quite welcome in such a powerful rifle. The last 375 I had weighed 7.5 lbs and was no fun at all to shoot.
Whichever rifle you choose to keep, by all means shoot it and enjoy it. That is what they were made for. To me there is no fun owning a rifle I don't shoot, and there are better investments.
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I wouldn't sell either. I have multiple rifles suitable for elephant from .375 H&H to .375 Wby to .458 Lott to .470 NE and I love them all.
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Thanks for all the thought provoking input, folks.
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Both are nice. The 375 produces a flatter trajectory similar to a 30-06 with 180gr bullets, if that is important to you. The 416 is bigger but slower. I think I would choose the 375. Having said that, my "elephant rifle" is a 416 Rigby. I will likely never be in a situation where I need such a rifle, but that doesn't matter. I bought it for fun, and that is exactly what it is.
These cartridges recoil differently. The 375 is more of a slap, while the 416 is more of a shove. I think I prefer shooting the 416. My 416 weighs about 10 lbs, which is quite welcome in such a powerful rifle. The last 375 I had weighed 7.5 lbs and was no fun at all to shoot.
Whichever rifle you choose to keep, by all means shoot it and enjoy it. That is what they were made for. To me there is no fun owning a rifle I don't shoot, and there are better investments.
The 416 loaded with 300 to 350 gain bullets shoots plenty flat
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One rifle, one planet, Holland's 375
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If I was considering an elephant safari I would take the .416.
If I was planning an all around safari without ele, I would take the .375.
Having walked up on about 10 Elephant last fall, I almost felt that my .500NE was a bit small. (It wasn't, but you always question) They get downright scary up close as you fully realize how big they are.
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