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I once sold.a leupold on here, knew it needed to go to leupold, and stated such in the ad. Sellerknew what he was getting and was fine because the price was right. The easiest way to determine who is right is simple, would Ra's have bought it had theduke put in the ad, scope is fogged and needs work done on it. No, Ra's would not have bought the scope. If I listed a gun with a cracked stock but only showed it in the pica but Dod not state it would that be ok? I think not. Duke is on my ignore list.
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I am not falling under the pressures of the narrow minded people of this website. If he had come to me in a sensible manner and ASKED for a refund, he probalby would have gotten it, but the fact the shoots an order at me and tell me I will refund him his money, then cries wolf and posts about me on here, then says he wont stoop so low as to communicate with me and wont reply to my PM's
Pretty low class and childish in my opinion, this is my last post on this, I dont see it getting any better picking at it, if you dealt with me before you know I am an alright person, thanks all that see it from my logical common sense point of view.
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Stating "Not as clear as today's scopes but not horrible either." is not the same as statng scope is fogged and will need repair. If we're going to start dissecting words, what is the difference in "not as clear", "foggy", "hazy", and "clouded". Not picking sides, but does the scope have actual water vapor in it, or could it also fit one or more of the other descriptions listed? With that said, a sub-$100 deal isn't worth the hassle. Send his money back, both sides chalk it up to learning to deal on the internet (sellers in giving full description, with no questions or room for misinterpretations, and buyers asking questions before committing to purchase if any doubts or something is not totally clear in your mind). Myself, if I had read "not as clear", and looked at the picture, I most likely would've just passed and moved along. But if for some reason I really wanted the scope, I surely would've asked for a little more clarification on the exact condition.
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I am not falling under the pressures of the narrow minded people of this website. If he had come to me in a sensible manner and ASKED for a refund, he probalby would have gotten it, but the fact the shoots an order at me and tell me I will refund him his money, then cries wolf and posts about me on here, then says he wont stoop so low as to communicate with me and wont reply to my PM's
Pretty low class and childish in my opinion, this is my last post on this, I dont see it getting any better picking at it, if you dealt with me before you know I am an alright person, thanks all that see it from my logical common sense point of view.
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If he had come to me in a sensible manner and ASKED for a refund, he probalby would have gotten it, but the fact the shoots an order at me and tell me I will refund him his money,.... Pretty lame defense. 
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The picture clearly shows a scope with "issues", I see no false advertising here...
Did you really expect a 95 dollar scope to be crystal clear?
Seriously? If a scope is fogged, yes I really expect it mentioned in writting in the ad. I would also expect a cheerful refund from any fellow sportsman on a product I wasn't happy with. If you've ever bought ANYTHING from me, the last thing the PM would have said is if you aren't happy for any reason get back in touch with me ASAP so we can arrange a return.
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I have owned and looked through dozens and dozens of Weavers. Most of you that have seen my hunting pictures here, usually see them on my rifles, especially my Savages. This is the worst one to date. It is a unusable and has serious issues. I wouldn't even think of sending something like this someone without mentioning that is was really gooned up.
Again, please bookmark this thread and post it on his future ads for others to judge.
And another thing, thanks for the posts and PMs fellas. Things are going just the way we need them to.
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I have sold quite a few scopes on here. I have a few that are hazy, not so clear, fogged ,etc.I would be embarased to put them up for sale on here.Maybe at a gunshow so its a face face deal, but not over the internet.Give him his money back.He's one of the good ones.
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Man up swallow your pride send a full refund and salvage your name. Or you can keep on about how he got a deal and so on and ruin your reputation as a sealer.
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I have sold quite a few scopes on here. I have a few that are hazy, not so clear, fogged ,etc.I would be embarased to put them up for sale on here.Maybe at a gunshow so its a face face deal, but not over the internet.Give him his money back.He's one of the good ones. I can't believe some are willing to kill their rep for $95........
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Too late, his name is MUD!
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And you're still trying to be clever. Clever?? By showing a factual picture from the original listing??? I am only trying to show I am not the bad guy he is making me out to be.... Defend it however you will, whatever good name you had has been destroyed by your shady action
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Why didn't you just say the scope is fogged?
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Too late, his name is MUD! It's not too late to make things right.
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Duke you can stop all the BS & be a man or continue your BS and be a CHIT BIRD. The choice is your`s
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Too late, his name is MUD! It's not too late to make things right. If the buyer wont contact me then he can drop it and go away, I am not begging someone to take my money. I can use it many other places than here
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Donsm70, we have dealt before, I agree not as clear and foggy are two different situations, I assure you the scope is not any more foggy today, than it was when the picture was taken. It is obviously a difference in opinions,and I would have gladly offered a refund initially had he not came across as a hard ass telling me what I would do without even asking for a refund, he tells me "he is sending it back and expects a refund". Well that is not the best way to get something done from my experience.
If your pulled over for speeding and you are sure you were not speeding you dont tell the cop, Hey I wasn't speeding and drive off do you? No you say officer I am sure that I wasn't speeding are you certain that I was? I am fairly certain that NO ONE on this site would like to be told what they will or wont do by an order. I never took orders from a stranger halfway across the US and I am not going to start now Yes, we have dealt before and with no issues. What I said here is "I am with RAS ON THIS ONE" donsm70
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If the buyer wont contact me then he can drop it and go away, I am not begging someone to take my money. You have his address (you sent the scope to him, right?). Send the check to that address. I'm pretty sure your scope will find it's way home too. I can use it many other places than here At this point, yeah, that's about your only option, as I don't see much of a future for you here after this.
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Just send RAS his money back, if you get the POS scope back great, if not ....you can still peddle your chit here!
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I once bought a scope off of here that had some pretty bad ring marks. If memory serves me right the add stated that "minor ring marks exist". They were bad enough I didn't even want to put the scope on the rifle. I chalked it up to my idea of minor ring marks weren't the same as the seller, took some good pictures of the scope and sold it on ebay.
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