Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Express Rifles and Big Bores Only Which would you want or prefer?

I would like your input as to which of the following and why.
Also indicat whether you have shot or owned same.
Your choices are 1. 416 C-Taylor 2. 416 Howell
or 3 the new SM2-416 by Sisk & Mann. Have at it but
remember to support your choice. Thanks Northcountry

Not familiar with your third option, but the first two are, for all practical purposes, the same. It could be argued that the Howell would be the more reliable feeder since it has no belt, but I haven't noticed any issues with properly set-up rifles and belts. Also you can get a few extra fps from the Howell, but those aren't really necessary, are they. The brass cost differential should not be that great, if you use RUM brass for the Howell instead of Jeffery, granted there will be a slight rim rebation, but it is truly incircumstantial.

AC

AC Thanks for your response. To check out 3rd choice
do a search for sm2 over the past 12 weeks should get
the many postings. What it is is the 325 expanded to
take a 416 bullet. Loads are 325gr. @2600 ft. per.sec
370gr. @ 2425
400gr. @ 2350 which should be good enough to go
to do the African hunts don't ya think?
Cheers NC

Just buy a Rigby and be done with it <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

northcountry,

In that case they would all perform basically the same. If it were me I would go with the Howell, simply because for any given level of ballistic performance it would have the lowest chamber pressure. I am a BIG fan of not going over 55 ksi. The Howell would let you get to 2350 fps and not go over the 55 ksi limit.

Of coruse Safariman's post speaks to the practical side of the discussion.

AC

I wouldn't choose any of the above. They're all an exercise in mental gymnatics, and an impractical waste of time. They won't do anything for you that the standardized factory 416s won't do better, and if you are separated from your ammunition in Africa or lose it -- and I've been down that road myself -- you'll wish to heck you'd have gone with a standard factory cartridge from the outset.

To select a cartridge for use on an expensive safari for dangerous game on the other side of the world with the only source of additional ammo being on your loading bench back home -- some 10,000 miles away -- is the height of folly, and a logistical brainfart. Plus, the headstamps on the brass won't match the caliber designation on your rifle, etc., etc.

The shortest distance between two points is always a straight line: Go with a 416 Rigby or 416 Rem. Mag. and forget about the rest of 'em...........

AD

allenday - Very well stated sir! CEJ...

for an african hunt the 416 rem and rigby are superior in all respects. however if your just looking to screw around here at home i like the 416 taylor for easy brass(338 or 458 win necked up or down) dies should be easy to find and not to expensive. im going to get the parts to do one on a Savage push feed just for the hell of it. ive got the dies already. the rifle will never see africa but it may get used on an elk or deer here in Montana. not to mention the wild charging ground squrrils though a 416 may be barly adiquate <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I will keep my Rigby thank you.

But, for the case in point, I support Charlie Sisk, cause he supports this board and I am nothing if not loyal to the team.

Loyalty is a nice thing...but in this instance not a very practical way to go. The only 416's I would consider are the Rigby or the Remington....Allen Day detailed why.

Most of these speciality rounds, developed by gun writers and small gun makers will be obsolete the day the come out...there are just too many well established chamberings in almost every caliber for them to succeed...when you go to sell such a rifle in the future, well good luck because you will need it!.........but its your money spend it wisely

JJS and Allen are quite right. but North country failed to state what the rifle was intended for or if it just a "for the hell of it" type question.

Africa: only the Rigby and Remington should be considered unless you have the money to risk it not being allowed for various reasons or if your ammo doesnt make it ect.

if you just want a 416 to mess with(like i do) than the above really doesnt matter. like i said i like the Taylor for ease of forming brass, cheap brass availible, easy to find dies and quite easy to get ahold of a reamer, hell ER Shaw has a 416 Taylor reamer.

so i guess it depends if its a rifle intended for Africa or is it just a gun loony looking for an excuse to build a rifle <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Are you gonna be traveling out of the country with the rifle to hunt?

Mark D

Never mind my question, I just read Allens post and it says it all.

I do like the 416's I did do a Taylor once but would no doubt go RM the next time around end of story.

Mark D

Why a person would want to hunt with a rifle you can walk into a store and buy ammo for is beyond me. If you've got to have a .416 go Taylor.

I would go with the 458 Lott and load it down. Low pressures, and it can use the big bullets when you want it to. If that doesnt please you I would suggest the 416 AR.

I see Northcountry Lives west of Portland in Big Elk country in thick timber oregon coast range, and if he is shooting Elk any of them listed will do the job! The Taylor is easy to make and easy to shoot. If your going to the Africa I would sujust you take along an second gun you could get ammo for over the counter like they said, and still take the Taylor . Why did evryone leave out the 416 Weatherby <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> when they left the three he asked about. Northcountry good luck. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I agree with safariman, get a 416 Rigby and never look back. Safariman, what do you think of a CZ 550 in this caliber?