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If you try to feed two thoughts into NotSaavy's brain at the same time, it jams...

so, how did you get the bolt open without ejecting the first round? musta really had to work at that one.

When I saw who started this thread I figured no need to click on that....


Then I thought, maybe...just maybe...my fellow members would turn it into a place to stop by and ridicule the village idiot...


You guys never dissappoint!


My .02 cents, just for Don...

Found his third grade pic...

The funny thing about this idiotic thread for me is I know I've seen more CRF jams than PF jams. A properly tuned CRF is a joy to behold, but they're not all created equal. Generally speaking, I'd say the average PF is far more reliable.

In your picture, the "jammed" cartridge does not appear to have started into the chamber as you describe. Further, it appears that the cartridge has somehow been extracted from the chamber and looks like it is still being held by the extractor. It almost looks like the cartridge is ready to be ejected if it were pulled back just a fraction of an inch further.

Could you please explain your picture further as to what is actually happening there, and exactly how you got the rifle into that condition?

for conversation...CRF can be induced to double feed just like that

Dude...Salvage 99 cant explain the concept of an opposable thumb...perhaps because he has none.

This might be true. It's true that not all CRF's are created equal; and the existence of an external non-rotating claw extractor is NOT the only characteristic of a CRF action...few really qualify as CRF unless rounds are tailored to magazine dimensions nd all the other stuf works in coordination with the rest of the actions mechanics.

That said,what I have seen screw them up the most is that the idiots have not mastered the difficult task of pulling the bolt all the way back with either action type until it jams against the bolt stop .Why this is sometimes hard to do is a mystery.

A few weeks ago I ran three rounds rapid fire from a KS Mountain Rifle,operating from the shoulder, and it worked fine.Actually I do this stuff before I start measuring OAL, tweaking loads,jamming bullets into lands,and other assorted gobblediegook....if it won't go "bang" on command it's useless anyway.

I don't own one PF anymore, but I'm under no illusion they don't work if properly handled. The "Short Stroke" thing is something experienced by those who've never developed muscle memory by actually working a Bolt Action from the shoulder properly.

While experience can be fixed, stupid can't.

Which, for me, sort of sums up this thread...

Brad you are a function Nazi...

Yeah...

Jam one up your ass and see how that works out.

Im feeling the love to the OP now!

Before I got used to the length of travel on the bolt of my new USA made Model 70, I short stroked the bolt a couple of times causing exactly the kind of jam that the OP is talking about and that's a CRF action.

The bolt still pushed the next cartridge forward until it goes high enough for the extractor to grab it. This means this kind of failure is equally likely between push and controlled round feed. CRF is really just a push feed until the extractor grabs the cartridge. Just watch it cycle, it's nearly half done before it becomes controlled.

There is ABSOLUTELY no difference between the two designs for this failure.

Hey Poobah....is tzone a turdlike guy yet? If not he should be one step closer IMO. Nice work tzone.

Yeah, Tom's qualified, he just hasnt ponied up his annual dues yet.....

Maybe he'll tell you pony those dues up your ass too.

Guns can jam? Jesus [bleep] Christ I had no idea.


Life as I now know it isn't worth living.


Wanna see a pic of a jammed CRF action too you [bleep] twat?

Laughin' my ass off...


Travis