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Hawkeye how come you never post videos of you being defiant to the police? Just like watching other people be something you are not? I guess you must really like L.A. Law.

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Seems like these same people are probably bitching about immigration and then pull this stuff when anyone tries to do anything about it.

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Dayum. How is the BP to protect against illegals or drugs, Hawk?


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I watched about 5 minutes. I saw several douchebag drivers waste officers' time (while making asses of themselves) so they can feel smart and important.

They are neither.

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Originally Posted by eyeball
Dayum. How is the BP to protect against illegals or drugs, Hawk?
What they're doing here isn't about defending our borders from illegals. It's about acclimating Americans to the "white glove" treatment from armed and uniformed agents of state, with disregard for the Fourth Amendment, during their travels within the US. The proof it's not about the border is that our borders go essentially unprotected, while they have the time and manpower to harass Americans during their domestic travels.

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Originally Posted by DINK
Hawkeye how come you never post videos of you being defiant to the police? Just like watching other people be something you are not? I guess you must really like L.A. Law.

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Bravo Dink!
Score one for you

Come on TRH, put up or shut up

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You have twice the patience that I have.

Immigration/Border Patrol checkpoints are a way of life in our prosperous country, especially here in the southwest USA. Better get used to it, TRH, the pull is too great.

Our standard of living, including our liberties, economy and security from "foreign powers", attract non-citizens, many of whom look very much like American citizens. Some of them plan to do us harm. Others don't realize the damage they do when they will work at any job that pays, even if it is "off-the-books" or below minimum wage, even though it is illegal.

The filming of these attempts at mockery of border security is evidence of childishness of thought. There are some very tolerant folks working the line for Border Patrol and they showed great patience in the first 117 seconds that I wasted viewing the video.

I know that Immigration checkpoints don't appeal to your libertarian nature, but it has become necessary now that "the border is more secure than ever before", quoting Janet Napolitano. More than 10 million non-citizens are already within our midst.

The video is a sophomoric joust at the wrong windmill.


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I'm not as willing as you to surrender hard won American liberties because of a problem (unchecked access across our borders by illegals) that was contrived to start with for the very purpose of destroying American liberty.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
I'm not as willing as you to surrender hard won American liberties because of a problem (unchecked access across our boarders by illegals) that was contrived to start with for the very purpose of destroying American liberty.


There's nothing contrived about the current status of illegal narcotics smuggling and illegal immigration and the effects those two problems are having on the culture of the United States.

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You misjudge me and misrepresent yourself when you believe you know what others think or believe.

I put my life on the line, on the border, to enhance our American way of life and economy for the last 17 years. I reported illegal entrants and our borders remained unfenced. Border Patrol was given orders from distant places and "arrests went way down".

Political biases are often blamed for our lack of border security. It is much more than that. Politics and power are synonymous in Washington, and look who is now running the show, people who want to enlist more uninformed voters and grant them Citizen status.

Your assumptions are biased and you accuse ME of "surrendering...liberties". Good luck with that, Hawk.

Did you vote for something different in November, or did you want something/someone "pure" that had NO CHANCE?


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Originally Posted by Maverick940
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
I'm not as willing as you to surrender hard won American liberties because of a problem (unchecked access across our boarders by illegals) that was contrived to start with for the very purpose of destroying American liberty.


There's nothing contrived about the current status of illegal narcotics smuggling and illegal immigration and the effects those two problems are having on the culture of the United States.
Oh, it's very much contrived. If you believe the flooding of our borders by illegals is due to mere incompetence on the part of our government, you're fooling yourself.

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No one ever made the allegation - either politically or socially - that illegal immigration is simply due to incompetence of the United States.

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Originally Posted by Maverick940
No one ever made the allegation - either politically or socially - that illegal immigration is simply due to incompetence of the United States.
So you agree that there's been some level of contrivance involved, then? In that case, you will need to take back what you said previously when you implied that the problem wasn't contrived.

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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No one ever made the allegation - either politically or socially - that illegal immigration is simply due to incompetence of the United States.
So you agree that there's been some level of contrivance involved, then? In that case, you will need to take back what you said previously when you implied that the problem wasn't contrived.


What I'm saying, is that the current status - the term "current status" being the operative term, in context - of narcotics smuggling and illegal immigration and the effects those two problems continue to have on United States culture, are not contrived.

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TRH, how do you propose we secure the borders?

Don't tell me what we're not supposed to do, tell me exactly what it is that we ARE supposed to do.


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Originally Posted by Maverick940
What I'm saying, is that the current status - the term "current status" being the operative term, in context - of narcotics smuggling and illegal immigration and the effects those two problems continue to have on United States culture, are not contrived.
Not intending to insult you, but are you aware of the definition of contrive? It means "brought about by stratagem." A stratagem is "an artifice or trick in war for deceiving and outwitting the enemy." The enemy in this case being the American people.

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I'd say that more accurately the victim in this case is the American people, the enemy is foreign invaders.


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Originally Posted by HugAJackass
TRH, how do you propose we secure the borders?

Don't tell me what we're not supposed to do, tell me exactly what it is that we ARE supposed to do.
Men on the border, stopping illegals from entering. Not rocket science.

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Originally Posted by HugAJackass
I'd say that more accurately the victim in this case is the American people, the enemy is foreign invaders.
I wish you were right, but I'm afraid you're mistaken. The folks in power consider us, i.e., freedom loving Americans, to be the enemy. The illegals are merely a tool for bringing the nation down.

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