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Have not posted here in a while but thought some of you may be able to help out. Been planning a 2013 fall Brown Bear hunt in UNIT 17. I am currently looking at booking with Don Duncan "smokey" from Alaska Private Guide Service. I know that you all recommend Phil Shoemaker but Im sure he is booked full by now and his area is a more expensive hunt.
looking for any input on this outfitter Good or bad

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Do some research on this site about Phillip before you book with him. His Outfitter has a blatant lie on his site. I would never hunt with a liar.
There is a couple guides from S.E. Alaska who post here. They hunt from boats. I can't remember their name.

Justin Johns hunts 17 still I believe and while he's sometimes a bit sketchy on food offerings or gear (or was in the past)

that dog can hunt, and he's fun to spend time with in the field, he's taken some very nice hoggish bears out of the Togiak refuge.

don't know how many assistant guides he's running these days, or who they are, but Justin is a pretty decent bear man.

Been planning a 2013 fall Brown Bear hunt in UNIT 17. I am currently



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there are more than a few good guides in SE but If you remember who they is you might post their names on here.
and who is this Phillip who works in unit 17 that has an outfitter who is a liar?

If you do end up booking with either Justin Johns or John Peterson in unit 17 you should have a great hunt as both men know their business and have been doing it for decades.

...currently being attacked by bears and looks like that might fall through.

Hey! It's old liar Phillip. Did you get internet service down there at the lake where you "live year-around in the Alaskan bush?"
Oh yea, I forgot. You have a small house up there near Fairbanks you can use when your in town for groceries, before you return to the bush where you "live year-around."
You have a good day up there Phillip.

What are you babbling about ?
Have we even met ? you are obviously must be confusing me with someone else as you don't even know my name, or where I guide, or apparently anything else about me since I am the outfitter
I also don't appreciate being called a liar and if you can find one on my web site please point it out for all of us to see.
Otherwise go back to your bottle.

Phil-
I think BrnBear is referring to the first line on Atkinson's site regarding your operation:

Yea, I know where you guide. I've been a pilot in Alaska for 45 years. I've flown over your "homestead" many times. I usually know when you put the boards on the windows and leave.
I don't think we've ever met. I don't remember saying anything about you personally or your qualifications as a guide. My problem with you, is you have an outright lie on your outfitter/agent/salesman's site. I notified you and Ray about the discrepancy several years ago by PM. You both said, not a big deal. I think it is a big deal.
Here's the quote...."One of the few guides who lives year-around in the Alaskan bush..." You know damn well you don't live year-around in the bush. That statement is used as a sales gimmick. You want the dudes to think "WOW, this old guy lives here with the bears year around. He must be good."
Remove the lie from your ad and I'll quietly disappear from your life.
I wonder if your ad could be considered "false advertisement"?
I also wonder if the Guide Board might have an interest in the ad? Would that ad be considered Unethical?
Think about it Phillip. (Did I spell everything correctly?)

BrnBear
Please let me in on your secret formula for preserving magic mushrooms this long! Usually by this time of winter they have lost their potency, but you obviously have figured out how to keep hallucinating all year long!
sincerely,
unstoned

Brown Bear, who ever you are ? it seems like your problem is with a booking agent, not me.
You obviously don't understand that they are not agents or employees of the guide any more than they are agents or employees of the hunter. They are independent middle men who work only for themselves, some are honest and others not so, they can promise anything and then blame one side or the other.
My web site is here for anyone to read, including you.
You are right that we have not spent the entire year at our homesite in Becharof NWR for the past few years, but we do own 40 acres of land and spend over half of each year there . And since you seem hung up on the term "bush", we also have a state homestead near the booming urban metropolis of Circle Hot Springs, and another Federal homestead between Wein lake and Denali. Do they meet your " bush" standards?
We did however live there on the penissula year around for many years when our children were growing up.
And, If you had been flying there for "45 years" like you claim you would have known that !!! Unless you were maybe flying in game unit 17. I live 100 miles to the south in unit 9E !
Next time you are flying by in the correct game unit stop in. I'll even let you check weather cameras on our Huges Net for your undisclosed destination.

OK, I think I get it.
Your salesman can lie about you anytime he wants, but your not responsible for his words. Old Ray does get a cut if he sells one of your hunts, right?
You at one time lived year-around in the bush, but you now live on one of your vast holdings somewhere else in Alaska. That's pretty much what I've been saying. You don't live in the bush.
Actually I "claim", to have been flying in Alaska since 1966. Helicopters and fixed wings. I have in fact flown over your "homestead" several times. I don't make a point of looking down to see if old Phillip is home or in Fairbanks.
Next time I'm down there, when you aren't in Fairbanks, I'll stop in and try your HUGES NET for WX. That's a new net service in Alaska isn't it? Are you on HUGES Net now?
You fly also don't you Phillip? Experimental Cub type if I'm not mistaken.
SITKA...
Before you start accusing me of being a druggie, you might take the time to read the thread.
I accused Phillip of being a liar and he just admitted to it.
I don't live in Hooper Bay so I'm not to familiar with magic mushrooms. I'm not sure why you commented, or why you picked mushrooms to talk about? Are you familiar with them?

Let me get this straight - you don't make a point of looking down to see if I am home - yet you check to see if the windows are boarded up each year ?
Homesteads by Wein lake and Circle Hot springs are not "in the bush" ?
You are a professional pilot that can't tell certified aircraft from an experimental one ? - and you have flown in Alaska for 45 years and never noticed whether or not I was at home ? But know for a fact when I am not !

You can't tell game unit 17 from unit 9 even though they are 100 miles apart ?

Oh, and you are an expert on booking agents as well and if they tell a lie, who ever they were lying about is the one responsible ! and if I come clean as to where I live all will be forgiven ?

It is pretty obvious who is telling the truth here, and Sitka's observation is now starting to make a lot more sense.

And by the way, I have never paid Ray anything. Ask him- he is alot more honest and forthcoming than you are.

Crazy, huh?

Yea, my son is up in Kotz flying polar bear surveys now but if he gets on he will kick my butt, as he has always told me that argueing on the internet is like running in the special olympics - because even if you win, you are still retarded.

I think I'll take my bronze medal and go home.

Dang! I hate to go off topic but this is a good one.
That's a good one Phillip! Running in the Special Olympics, means your retarded!
I can see the headlines now...."Gun writer calls Special Olympic runners retarded!" Wow, Phillip, pretty gutsy.
Quote..

"told me that argueing on the internet is like running in the special olympics - because even if you win, you are still retarded.

I think I'll take my bronze medal and go home."

PS...Argueing is correctly spelled, arguing. That's what my spell check told me.