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this weekend i finally got around to casting some 10mm bullets. wheelweight, lynotype, and some lead free solder mixture. They are in a 200grain style inspired by elmer, a true keith bullet. The other part is in addition to solids, the mould threw normal hollowpoints and pentad shaped hollowpoints.
started running them through the sizer and lubing them today.
I think they are going to be fun to shoot. eventually i might oven bake them too.

I Always thought that the .40 S&W caliber was Gay... Only Real Men shoot 10mm's !

Ought Oh, bet i got a GFY coming from Travis, now

I like my Delta Elite 10mm a lot because it can - and does - serve several duty's or roles for me. Daily carry, hunting, backwoods carry, plinking or target shooting, bedstand gun, truck gun etc. etc.

My do it al load is a 180gr Gold Dot over 14.6gr of AA#9 in only brand new Starline nickel plated cases for a snoutspeed of 1375, chronographed. That load is probably a bit too stiff for a factory issue 1911 style pistol in 10mm but mine has a Storm Lake barrel, mega stiff recoil spring and was set up and timed specifically for those loads (I sent a full box of 50 down with the gun) by Jack Huntington at JRH custom guns. JWP475 reffered me to Jack and I am really glad he did. Thanks JWP475!

Thanks to all who opined here, it has been an interesting and fun discussion, typical of a virtual hot stove league type of chatter. Mucho fun! For me, I lke MY 10mm a lot. As always YMMV <g>

I have had a table or two at several gunshows already this year and cannot recall seeing a SS Delta Elite for sale at one. Sorry to dissapoint, but they do not seem to be very available.

just curious what recoil spring weight are you using in your delta elite? Are you using the shock buffs?

Two new ones at the Topeka gunshow I went to Saturday. Different dealers. I think one was like $1150 and the other was like $1350. There was a new Gold Cup there for I think, $1150 as well. Other tens were at least three 20 Glocks. Low was $499 and high was $650. Glocks were all new too.

The first guy I talked to seems to be able to get fairly hard-to-obtain new stuff. I bought my Smith Governor from him and they aren't exactly common even now. He had one of the Delta's.

The 40 covers a lot of ground and I'd say that's been proven with a lot of pocketbooks.

And chronographing most 10mm's could leave their owners a little butt hurt.

Now, GFY.


Travis

have you tried running .40s through your Delta? i've heard it works fine in the G20 but haven't tried it...

I haven't. Probably never will, I have plenty of 10 brass right now.


Travis

45 Super




Why go small

.45 Super is a nice way to go, but since there�s very little factory ammo, the 10mm makes more sense to many.

I�d love to learn how your gunsmith setup your .45 Super.

Not sure what it's good for but I just bought one.

No shock buffers, and I do not know what the spring wieght is in my DE. I know that when I sent it down to Jack Huntington it had a dual spring setup and now it is a single and I also know that it is VERY stiff. I would not recomend it for someone with smaller hands or any hand weakness. Sorry that I cannot be more specific. I have entrusted this pistol to the capable hands of Jack Huntington and our own Kevin Gibson and I trust thier workmanship and knowledge in such matters. I just keep it fed, sorta-maybe clean and lubed and enjoy it!

i really don't know why most factory ammo, in 10mm is downloaded to that of basically a 40s&w. With the exception of some of the specialty makers like doubletap.
It seems like it's a handloaders affair to get real performance out of it.

Aspade, that is a beautiful pistol there! Very sharp looking, big time! And that is a lot of pistol power there. I am sure you will find a use and purpose for it. Calling in and putting the big smackdown on an entire PACK of Wolves, for example....

Come to think of it, that weapon would do yeoman duty on a pack of four legged OR two legged wolves/predators.

The word is that the Sissy agents in the FBI couldn't handle it and wanted something smaller so the didn't have to quit or step back to a desk job where they should have been.

BINGO!

If I am in trouble, I want Kojack, or Steven Segal with a real gun! Not Angie Dickinson or Farrah Fawcett with a snubbie 38!

Thanks safariman, I have some work to do on it yet.

The factory recoil spring is so light that if you push the slide back 1/4" with an empty magazine it can't overcome the follower drag to even return to battery. Supposedly it's 14# but feels more like 10 to me. Good for a 9mm maybe.

I found a guy (henningshootsguns) who made square bottom firing pin stops for these but he doesn't have any right now and isn't doing another batch for a while. Will go with a heavier hammer spring too although I haven't figured out how to take it apart that far yet. The DA trigger is pretty bad to begin with and that will only make it worse but that's what a thumb safety is for.

On the upside, the SA trigger is outstanding, and until 10mm ammo shows up again there's a factory conversion slide for 22LR although it's backordered like everything else right now.

I'd bet there are a lot of novice handgunners that would have a hard time with full house 10mm's. FBI or otherwise.



Travis

I�m not sure how serious of a comment that is�

The full power 10mm is more than most would want for self defense. After Miami, the FBI went out looking for the �ultimate� in a law enforcement handgun, and settled on the 10mm lite. What they were looking for was .45 ACP terminal performance with 9mm barrier penetration, and for the most part, that�s what they got. Right after S&W sold them the 1076 in 10mm, they came up with the .40 S&W cartridge. The FBI had some contractual obligations, so they didn�t switch over to the .40 S&W, but as soon as they were lifted from those contracts, the 1076 was relegated. By that time, very good defense loads had been developed using the FBI�s criteria for .38 Special, 9mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP; allowing the individual agent some latitude in caliber and weapon choice.

For concealed carry, 10mm guns can be a bit large with the exception of the 1911 or Commander. In full power loads, you�re gaining a good deal of recoil, and more significantly, muzzle blast; neither of which are welcome in a defensive pistol. Notice that even the most professional agents and agencies have never adopted the 10mm. Most view it as more power than they�ll need with some undesirable baggage. Most US SWAT/HRU teams choose the .45 ACP or .40 S&W, and I�d say those are very good choices for their needs. European units almost universally choose the 9mm. All 3 work just fine.