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Has anyone else received this email?

Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ???????

Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned that the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was "Much in it, not reported by the main stream media, that many congressmen and senators did not like." This forwarded memo below might explain at least part of the problems---Once again the main stream media selectively reports what serves their agenda. Because they use the terms common sense and reasonable doesnt make it so.
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Background checks reasonable, I think not.

The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back Senate gun control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at first but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have significant unintended consequences.

There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public has a chance to consider its contents.

Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crimes. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment to review the requirements of the bill.

Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill:

EXAMPLE #1
Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be considered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAVE BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME.

1. He must have already purchased his hunting license
2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it)
3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly not across a state line.

He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM.

EXAMPLE #2
It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon leaves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a transfer of possession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms dealer, paying the transfer fee and a background check for the transferee.

Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession, requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting them in a friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into a moving truck.

Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is considered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR WEAPON.

In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a federal crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and Game violations.

EXAMPLE #3
Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considered weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federal laws as a terrorist arms dealer.

EXAMPLE #4
Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon again.

Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring legalese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical.

Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those above that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property.

A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate website. See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers".

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649:

Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. Tell them how you feel about this.

Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and opens the door for confiscation of your weapons and property for otherwise routine activities.

Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither.

If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned that exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside to enforce these restrictions.
Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected.
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Lots of folks ask a neighbor or friend to safeguard their firearms in their gun safes while they're away on vacation. I've done this myself. Federal crime under the new bill.

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Like Stossel says --Everything Illegal pretty much self explanatory --one tiny grey area slip up and you're a FELON ..

They pile a bunch of bullcrap in to gage how much they can get away with .Then take a little off at a time and Joe public thinks well that ain't so bad .While the GOVT waits for or orchestrates the next tragedy .


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The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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Originally Posted by ol_mike
Like Stossel says --Everything Illegal pretty much self explanatory --one tiny grey area slip up and you're a FELON ..

They pile a bunch of bullcrap in to gage how much they can get away with .Then take a little off at a time and Joe public thinks well that ain't so bad .While the GOVT waits for or orchestrates the next tragedy .
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The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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i'll keep this as refferance just in case Canada tries the same tactics .
As the chief firearms officer in Ontario has stated that even though one has a ATT [authorization to transport] usually good for 5 years , if you want to shoot at a gun club you do not belong to you must get a letter of invitation from that club or a member before you can leagally transport .The CFOs
in Canada can and do add restrictions to laws that they deem
reasonable[[in their own mind]]this CFO in Ontario is a piece of work and has been taken to court and lost but he keeps trying.

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Originally Posted by norm99
i'll keep this as refferance just in case Canada tries the same tactics .
As the chief firearms officer in Ontario has stated that even though one has a ATT [authorization to transport] usually good for 5 years , if you want to shoot at a gun club you do not belong to you must get a letter of invitation from that club or a member before you can leagally transport .The CFOs
in Canada can and do add restrictions to laws that they deem
reasonable[[in their own mind]]this CFO in Ontario is a piece of work and has been taken to court and lost but he keeps trying.

norm


Okay, I will bite...what is an authorization to transport?

Is it an authorisation to transport your own firearms or firearms belonging to others.


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The problem is most of of the gun owners in the country have no clue as to what the laws truly are, or what the proposed laws would do. Those of us that are gun looneys know, but Joe Citizen that has an 12 guage 870 for dove hunting and grandpa's .30-30 for deer doesn't have the faintest idea.

How many times have you been asked what needs done to sell a gun to get it off the registry in the owners name?

How about general idea that AR's are automatic and illegal? Not so much recently, but 10 or 15 years ago yes.

You mean I can mail a gun without a license?


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Originally Posted by Cheesy
The problem is most of of the gun owners in the country have no clue as to what the laws truly are, or what the proposed laws would do. Those of us that are gun looneys know, but Joe Citizen that has an 12 guage 870 for dove hunting and grandpa's .30-30 for deer doesn't have the faintest idea.

How many times have you been asked what needs done to sell a gun to get it off the registry in the owners name?

How about general idea that AR's are automatic and illegal? Not so much recently, but 10 or 15 years ago yes.

You mean I can mail a gun without a license?

Part of the confusion is that the ATF has a book of rules about like the Dallas Phonebook. But you are exactly right, most people violate this law or that law all the time, but are just unaware of it. There are already way too many laws and regulations that need to be done away with. We sure don't need more.


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Originally Posted by Pinduck
Has anyone else received this email?

Background Checks**** This ia a typical back door move ???????

Yesterday in meeting with Congressman Tom Reed, he mentioned that the one big reason the gun bill was defeated was that there was "Much in it, not reported by the main stream media, that many congressmen and senators did not like." This forwarded memo below might explain at least part of the problems---Once again the main stream media selectively reports what serves their agenda. Because they use the terms common sense and reasonable doesnt make it so.
*******************

Background checks reasonable, I think not.

The "most popular" part of the defeated-but-sure-to-come back Senate gun control bill (background checks) sounds like a good idea at first but is more restrictive than anyone anticipated and will have significant unintended consequences.

There is a huge push to get it through Congress before the public has a chance to consider its contents.

Common activities that we take for granted will become federal crimes. These are not irresponsible exaggerations. Please take a moment to review the requirements of the bill.

Here are a few examples of the restrictions in the bill:

EXAMPLE #1
Loaning your buddy a shotgun for a duck hunting trip will be considered a transfer. If the following requirements are not met, YOU HAVE BOTH COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME.

1. He must have already purchased his hunting license
2. Season is already open (and will not close before he returns it)
3. He cannot travel with the firearm through a county where season is not yet open or any area where hunting is prohibited and certainly not across a state line.

He CANNOT stop by your house on the day before season opens, pick up the shot gun, go to the sporting goods store to buy a license and shells then drive out to the hunting lease. In this scenario, YOU BOTH WOULD HAVE COMMITTED MULTIPLE FEDERAL CRIMES, YOUR WEAPONS WILL BE FORFEITED AND YOU WILL LOOSE YOUR RIGHT TO BUY OR OWN A FIREARM.

EXAMPLE #2
It appears that only you may relocate your weapons. If your weapon leaves your home without you, the new legislation considers it a transfer of possession. ALL transfers require going through a firearms dealer, paying the transfer fee and a background check for the transferee.

Putting the weapon, even temporarily in someone else's possession, requires a transfer through a dealer. There is no exception for putting them in a friend's truck while moving to your new house or packing them unloaded, locked in a gunsafe into a moving truck.

Any scenario in which your weapon leaves your home without you is considered a transfer. Failure to properly transfer the weapon is a federal crime which can result in a prison term AND WILL RESULT IN THE FORFEITURE OF YOUR WEAPON.

In the scenario above, your buddy's truck was used to commit a federal crime and WILL BE CONFISCATED just like with current Fish and Game violations.

EXAMPLE #3
Infractions as above which involve 2 guns of any type are considered weapons trafficking. You will be prosecuted under the same federal laws as a terrorist arms dealer.

EXAMPLE #4
Any of the infractions above (or hundreds of other routine scenarios) may result in federal charges, confiscation of ALL your weapons and being prohibited, like all felons, from ever owning a weapon again.

Please read the text of the bill yourself. Most of it is boring legalese but the sections on transfers and trafficking are critical.

Take a minute to think about all the routine activities like those above that will make you a federal criminal and result in prison time plus the confiscation of your weapons and other property.

A link to the bill is included below on the official Senate website. See Section 122 "Firearms Transfers".

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c113:S.649:

Read it and call your congressman's office. Talk to their staff. Tell them how you feel about this.

Keep in mind, none of the above would have stopped the tragedy's in Columbine or Newtown . The proposed law makes you a criminal and opens the door for confiscation of your weapons and property for otherwise routine activities.

Think and act. Congress is hoping that you will do neither.

If you found the patience to read the entire text, you also learned that exactly $100 million per year of your tax money is set aside to enforce these restrictions.
Finally, please forward this to your friends who may be affected.
Failure to hit the bulls-eye is not the fault of the target.


Most of that was true with the original bill, the amendments that were voted on would have made it untrue, as far as the examples go. Luckily it got stuffed so far up Obama's ass that he is still trying to get the taste out of his mouth.

It is all a big [bleep] joke. The bottom line is that any new regulation is unacceptable and is nothing more than a feel good measure to make the drones in office think they are doing something, at the moment, at best. At worst it is just another incremental step toward disarming the citizens of the US and cementing the governments position to rule us like the subjects they so desperately want us to be... I'll go with the latter.









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