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ravenr, I found some pot chips at this cat set. No arrowheads. Always wanted to go back in the summer and poke around, but never did.....
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That looks like a good place camp out of the weather for awhile.
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Having boxes of arrow heads in the storage room of the museum would seem to do less for the spread of information than having them in private hands and on display. Everytime someone sees the privately held artifacts there is a discussion and exchange of information. Artifacts in museum warehouses might as well still be buried.
Man ain't that the truth. I will never ever tell or show the "expert archaeologists" what I have found or tell them where. I learned my lesson years ago. To hell with letting them have stuff to hive up and chortle over and we never get to see it again. I found a beautiful Caddo pipe. I shallow bowl about the size of a 50 cent piece on a short stem connected to some type of animal effegy. Wolf? bear? dog? something. The lower stem was hollow like you could stick a piece of river cane in there for a stem. I showed it to a professor from SFA State University. I even told that SOB where I found it. I was fenced off from more hunting after he talked me out of the pipe so he could "study" it. Well, he has been studying it for nearly fifty years and I never have seen it again nor has anyone I know. Never got it back and never even got a thank you or a KMA of any kind. Cured me of telling and showing the professionals of anything I have. One being a clovis point.
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Having farmland in SD, there are quite a few big stone tools here and there. They've been found over the years. No smalls, tho. I'll have to take some pictures the next time I get over there. And no, the local wannabe archeologists don't need to know sh*t.
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Museums now routinely have a proces called curation. Artifacts collected by professional archaeologists are examined and evaluation for their potential significance. The best place to evaluate artifacts is not in a museum and not on a board in some one's house, but in situ in the field. See context above.
In the West, there is a lot of non-arable land that has not been developed as in many millions of acres. No plow layer and no dsturbance except by cattle and people walking around.
Archaeological surveys are interesting but tedious. I used to work for several companies that did lots of them. Sites are mapped, drawings are made, photos made, and decisions are made based on their potential significance.
My Dad had a ranch in Arizona for 30 years, mostly on the Coconino NF. We had human burial sites, pottery, irrigation works, lithics, and quarry sites. It is all still there if you know where to look.
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Here's one out of petrified wood
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Wow! That is one good looking point.
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Raven, Great photo. One of the best I have ever seen of a projectile point.
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had a so-so afternoon in the cornfield today. Only able to hunt 3 hours, got runofft the ridge twice because of lightning and rain. Squeaked out a white Big Sandy and several bases, scrapers. Found a fan drill with tip tip snipped off as usual. Oh yeah and found a pestle. One of my associates found a pestle yesterday. Just happenstance. I'll get a pic up later. here's the big sandy at insitu also had a friend request a close up of the Benton blade from last few days
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Love the B.Sandy Nice finds
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All the hundreds of hours I have spent outside and I have never found an arrowhead. Once I was helping an elderly lady with a bird survey in the Hill Country close to here and she goes "oh, look" and on the ground in front of us was one of the nicest points I have ever seen. She took it. I think I spend too much time looking up Birdwatcher
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Places like Texas and Missouri have an unbelievable density of artifacts if you know where to look. I worked for a company that did an archaeological survey for a proposed reservoir in Texas. It took a whole field season with a team of people. There are many file cabinets of curated materials from that one site in a museum in Austin.
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Last fall I took the kids paintballing in the foothills near where we live. While they were out peppering each other with little balls of color, I took a hike through the countryside. On a low ridge, I was quite surprised to see a couple of grinding holes in the rock. Looking around, I managed to find a couple of grinding stones to fit the holes, apparently left there 150 years or so ago, where they lay until I wandered by. I moved one over to the best hole for the picture, but left everything there, taking only photos. I'd wager I had more fun discovering this than the kids did with their paintballing. The countryside with one of the grinding holes in the foreground. The best hole and stone.
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another itty-bitty.
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Down by the creek this morning sitting on top of a pocket gopher mound. A beautiful bird point. 1 1/16" long - 3/4" wide at the base. Set along side a Win 22lrf 40grain Power-Point. My one and only find looks just like that point only it's a grey coloring. Found it in Armstrong co. Pa.
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another itty-bitty. Between my family and friends in several states, thousands of pieces, there isn't a one of us that has one prettier than that.
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I couldn't make it out to the mud today. I'm helping my dad replace the roofing and plywood decking. Kept getting text messages from my other buds that were able to walk the fields. this pic is from an adjoining property next to our spot. The pillbilly just had to rub it in with this text message he nuked us with. That's aight tho, we are going find his footprints tomorrow. He only spent two hours in there and that's with his bloodshot eyes. here's his pic
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All the hundreds of hours I have spent outside and I have never found an arrowhead. Once I was helping an elderly lady with a bird survey in the Hill Country close to here and she goes "oh, look" and on the ground in front of us was one of the nicest points I have ever seen. She took it. I think I spend too much time looking up Birdwatcher I've never found anything (archeological) either, so don't feel bad. Everytime I've been West River I'm looking down more than anything. Looking at what the ants brought up, etc. I have found some neat looking fossils in the badlands though, one pretty complete skull and I didn't have a thing to mark it's location or to dig it up (not that I'd violate any laws federal laws though)...
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Places like Texas and Missouri have an unbelievable density of artifacts if you know where to look. I worked for a company that did an archaeological survey for a proposed reservoir in Texas. It took a whole field season with a team of people. There are many file cabinets of curated materials from that one site in a museum in Austin. That would be TARL. Texas Archaeological Research Labratory. Young son used to work there. Check out this website; http://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/If you look at the Presidio Los Adaes site you may see a familiar face disguised as Louis Jurchereau de St. Denis!!!! Bob
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