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idahjo,

I was in the Air Force in the late '50s, and I know about reconnaissance aircraft. You're right, they didn't all come back. Google 60528, or read "The Price of Vigilance" by Larry Tart. 60528 was the C-130 shot down by the Soviets over Armenia on 2 September 1958. At the National Cryptologic Museum at NSA Headquarters there is a replica of the wall that is inside the secure area. There are the names of 62 sailors, 40 airmen, 37 soldiers, 11 marines, and 2 civilians on the wall. The crew of 60528 is there, and those who were killed in the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in 1967. The large American flag flown by the Liberty is displayed there, and the Medal of Honor citation for the skipper. What is interesting is that, while the citation gives details of the attack and the captain's actions in saving his ship, no mention is made of the identity of the attackers. The rest of the exhibit does tell of the Israelis, however.

Paul

shootdown of tail number 60528

Thanks Paul, I had forgotten about that...

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When the Matidor, Mace and Snark were being developed there were a few problems along the way. Transitioning from Rocket Assisted Takeoff(RATO/Jato) to turbine power being less than reliable... A sign over the bunker of the Mace operations at Cape Canaveral said: "Beware of Snark Infested Waters" ...with good reason. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

What a nice look back to "Pre-OSHA" days...................no double fall protection harnesses, no hardhats........
Lotsa my Dad's old stevadoring pictures from those times reflect the same practical approach.......whaen you could actually move around a jobsite, and get something done. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Can't get this scanner to come up to speed.....I think half a pound of BP might cure it though.

Is that a "Real Mc Coy" warhead, or a practice set-up?

Later, GTC <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I deleted my last post because I am pizzed beyond belief that the whole photo file from our trip back east last year has disappeared from my computer. Why is it that when you lose something it's almost always something important, but never the trivial crap? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Paul

Good one DD! After the TM61-C was phased out I went into the TM76-B program. The improvement in guidance changed the pointy-nose to a 'l-o-n-g' probiscus with a rounded nose cone. I was an instructor statoned at Lowry AFB my full tour. My supervisor was a SMsgt who flew P-40's in WW-2 <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />
The J-33 powered 61-C (Matidor)/76-B (Mace) series had glued/laminated wings built around a honeycomb inner structure. Yaw was controlled by pop-up spoilers in the wings. Fail-safe for errant missiles was a primacord (detcord) laid in a channel under one wing, that would "cut" the underside skin at the wing root and collapse the wing... bringing the lumbering bird down. My boss told of a tour in Tripoli when they had a practice launch where control was lost of a Matidor that errantly circled round-and-round over Tripoli and out over the sea. The destruct would not activate, so they had fighters attempt a shoot-down. Just kept on making the huge-lazy circle. Bugger would not come down and it finally ran out of fuel. Luckily, it splashed-down at sea <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> ...So much for thechnology <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Paul; that's the way it is suppsoed to work... why should you be any different from the rest of us <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

That's a trick done more than once in the aviation world! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Just a note to let y'all know I'll be offline for a spell. Headin' up to Missouri for a few days, then tryin' to get lost on the way back. Somewhere between Tulsa and Knoxville. See ya on the rebound. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

yup , those 'er genuwine snotcicles..........................truck batteries , dead, .....Alberta winter.............pack 'em(batteries) down to the Home ranch, charge, and pack 'em back up to the line camp.

BRRrrrrrrrrrrr,

GTC

Pathfinder and DigitalDan,

I just stumbled across this thread and a lot of the names such as I Drang and A Shau are familiar to me because my Dad was there from '65 to '68 or thereabouts. I believe he was first there with the 1st Cav and later with the 82nd. Anyway, I am sure he was 1st platoon, alpha company, 2/8 Cav. He was wounded, shot twice through both upper thighs but was lucky he didn't lose anything or die. He can still out squat or deadlift me anyday. His name is Mike Friedrichs, and he was from Aurora, IL. I'm sure it's a longshot but seeing these familiar words I had to mention it.

Prewar70,
Sorry, I don't remember your dad, but that is not to say that I may not have shared a Huey or bumped into him momentarily at some time- worked with 2nd of the 8th several times. Glad he made it out OK. I have a set of Purple Heart plates for my car because the State of Colorado is kind enough to provide them at NO charge every year- has saved me a lot. I am always a lttle embarrassed at displaying them, as I had a bunch of buddys lose limbs or worse to get it + some that didn't get to see their 21st birthday!
I had the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Gen. Pace) shake my hand a couple of months ago though (really for all of us there in the Ia Drang) and it felt pretty good. Tell your Dad Hi & "Garry Owen" .....Dennis

Dennis; I always wanted to look 'Gary Owen' up, but never thought of it when on the computer. Now I know... "Garryowen" ...and 'click' the Garyowen tab in left column...

(Pierce ever call you?)

Pathfinder, I've been walkabout for a spell and just read your post...don't ever feel embarrassed for hangin' those plates on your car...EVER. I did the same in Georgia while living there. It's only a matter of circumstance causes some to bleed for their country. Serving is a choice, one that separates wheat from chaff...and nobody ever woke up one morning and said "I think I'll be a hero today".

Prewar, my time in the A Shau was after your dad's, sorry I never met him. I just returned from a journey around the southeastern quadrant of the US, and met a fellow by accident near Branson, Mo. that had spent some time there with 5th Group he said. Name was Tubbs...looks like St. Nick today and life is good for him from all appearances. We traded 10 digit coordinates of some of our more memorable moments. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

FWIW, I may have stepped into the wonderland of having a personal LONG range place to shoot. Will post some photos later, just got home and and am whipped. Snowed on 3 times and froze the rest of the time. Loved every minute of it! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Crossfire, you get any of that rain out your way?

Any of yous guys still hangin' around out there? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

I am still waiting on my Shiloh! I am hoping end of this month!

D.D.,

So many other chat rooms to play in, this here one has turned into a ghost town.

Kelley O.

It would appear so. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Well, had fun while it lasted. Still workin' on an itenerary for the spring trip next year, will give a yodel along the way.

Pacecars, let us know when it shows up!

[for what it's worth...] I'm still alive and taking nourishment.

During the winter, I decided to pursue a long-time overdue project and build a 'period' longrifle. About finished with a 42" flintlock in the Vogler/North Carolina style (school). Major 'woodworking' and metal fabrication project!
But a 'kick in the pants' <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

About to receive a similar boot, a .32 Rock Lock from Tracks...some assembly required, batteries and directions conspicuously absent. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Building a big bloody gate in front of my new place.....

Still stick my nose in.........this was a good rendezvous point, while Rick A Shay's site was down.....No?

Best regards, GTC <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />