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Your mentality is only sligthy mared but expected there aren't enough union members in the country to vote that turd in. So you need to go back to the drawing board before you get your ass handed to you again!

In fact I know a lot of union members that are as conservative as me or more but are forced to join the unyine to hold their job. They decided they'd like to bring the family more dollars. You could at try to come off intelligent rather than just anti union. I don't like unions either but I understand and have seen why they are with us.

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it sounds like no arrangements have been made to outsource overseas.

i hope all the jobs can remain in the US, no matter if they are union or non-union. we need those jobs to remain right here Stateside.


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Originally Posted by Gus
it sounds like no arrangements have been made to outsource overseas.
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i hope all the jobs can remain in the US, no matter if they are union or non-union. we need those jobs to remain right here Stateside.


Boeing outsourced for one reason the bottom line and they didn't do their home work. It will impact all union and non union workers and their numbers in the company. They should have built the plane first then had a plan to slowly outsource the less credical parts first then the more technical stuff latter. But hey the big boys got to eager for bigger boneasses sooner.


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You spout what you claim as second hand info. I call bullshit.

Neither Boeing, or any other company pays a worker who is on strike. And no... there is no back pay for the time spent on strike.

I suspect that you are a liar who makes up your story as you go along.


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Just called my neighbor who has worked for Boeing since 1992. He says otherwise

Boeing pays damn well for someone with no skills and a HS diploma. Why the hatred?

Again no sympathy for union folks like you who donated millions of your money to elect Obama TWICE. So you are a conservative but give your money to help elect people like Obama. People like union supported Obama raise taxes on businesses, enact crazy EPA and OSHA guideline and drive businesses (jobs) to flee overseas. Your union just came out for illegal immigration which drives down wages for Americans. Please explain your convoluted union logic

How much did your union donate to business friendly conservative or TEA party candidates?

Zero

Asking again-So who signs your pay check and provides your insurance and retirement? Boeing or your Obama luvin union?

More hatred from socialist union tards that hate capitalism, and vilify business owners. Why don't you stop whining and start your own business? If I was a business owner I would get the heck out of Washington state too.

You can peddle your pro Obama socialist union elsewhere

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Labor big a real heavy sleeper
Just another doze at the office for union�s �scarf-&-snore� prez

By RICH CALDER
Last Updated: 8:32 AM, May 29, 2013
Posted: 1:31 AM, May 28, 2013
EXCLUSIVE
Union fat cat Mark Rosenthal spends more time sleeping at his desk than organizing labor, a series of damning photos reveals.

The 400-pound president of Local 983 of District Council 37 � the city�s largest blue-collar municipal-workers union � often downs a huge meal, then drops into dreamland in the early afternoon, members of the union�s executive board told The Post.


IT'S A DREAM JOB: Mark Rosenthal, who pulls in $156,000 a year as head of Local 983 of District Council 37, nods off at his desk during one of a series of postlunch naps that have outraged members of the union�s executive board.
�He eats lunch when he arrives at work at 2 p.m. Then, like clockwork, he goes to sleep with a cup of soda on the table and the straw in it,� said Marvin Robbins, a union vice president.

�Then he wakes up, looks at his watch and says, �I have to get out before the traffic gets bad.� He�s usually out by 4 p.m. after being at the office two hours.�

Rosenthal is a former Parks Department employee who rose to power campaigning to rid the union of corruption in the late 1990s.

He last made embarrassing headlines in 2009, when he inspired a City Council bill requiring jumbo-size ambulances for morbidly obese patients after he had a stroke at City Hall.

Since then, he hasn�t been making much of an effort to give the city�s ambulances a break and slim down. Union officials say he racks up $1,400 in monthly food bills on the union dime.

Much of the 5-foot-7, 400-plus-pound Rosenthal�s food tabs are for catered union events and meals he writes off as �union business,� board members claim.

They say he significantly overorders at eateries like Dallas BBQ, the Stage Door Deli and Pine Restaurant in The Bronx, a hangout for local politicians, and takes the extra food back to his Bronxdale apartment.

�He�s always walking off with a doggie bag or extra boxes of food,� said another executive board member.

Rosenthal, who earns $156,000 annually, yesterday denied being a free spender� and insisted he works �12-to-14-hour days.�

He says the allegations are �part of a smear campaign� by a faction trying to get another Local 983 vice president, Joseph Puleo, elected president in a June 5 showdown.

He said it�s normal for executives to take �power naps.�

He also blamed his meetings with the sandman on the effects of pain medication he takes for backaches he has suffered since he fell through a chair at a McDonald�s last year.

�The chair broke because I�m big,� Rosenthal said.

�I�m 60 years old, so if I eat during my lunch hour and take a little medication, can�t I close my eyes?� he said outside his apartment complex. �Is it so outrageous?�

Rosenthal is also under fire from the union�s executive board for allowing lawyer Arthur Schwartz to allegedly rack up an average of $12,000 a month in union legal fees for years despite being on a $5,500 monthly retainer, board members said.

But Schwartz claims he has submitted only one monthly bill over $10,000 in 15 years representing the union and averages about $7,000 per month in fees.


APRIL 2, 2013
The executive board on May 15 voted to fire Schwartz anyway � and also to pull Rosenthal�s union car.

Board members said they were furious enough to fire Schwartz because he pursued a lawsuit on Rosenthal�s behalf aimed at changing the makeup of the union�s election committee after it nominated Puleo as a candidate for president on May 7.

Rosenthal responded to Schwartz�s firing by filing another suit days later in Manhattan Supreme Court, claiming the May 15 meeting occurred without his approval.

The suit also accuses executive board members of using union resources to sway the election in Puleo�s favor.

�Mr. Puleo and his cohorts have basically seized control without having won the election,� the suit says.

�Not only that, [but] they have [also] assigned legal work to attorneys, including to Mr. Puleo�s campaign lawyer.�


MARCH 27, 2012
Puleo called Rosenthal�s allegations �absurd,� adding, �He�s the one using the union�s resources to sue members in good standing.�

The case has since been moved to a federal court in Manhattan with a hearing set for today.

The union represents 3,000 workers � mostly Parks Department peace officers and maintenance workers and NYPD tow-truck operators and other traffic agents that are among the lowest-paid city workers.

But they still fork over $1,080 in annual union dues that help fund Rosenthal�s salary and perks.

Rosenthal has headed the union since 1998, when he won an election under the platform of ridding the union of corruption and alleged mob ties. At the time, he called the union a �cesspool.�

Some members say he was a strong labor advocate for the union in his early years, but his questionable spending and sleeping habits � and alleged lack of attention to union issues � in recent years led to Puleo�s campaign.

He has also ruled the union with little opposition in part because he and Schwartz have strong political connections at City Hall, so members say they were afraid to go up against them until now.

�There was always the fear that he�d use his power to retaliate against anyone who spoke up,� Puleo said.

�He always likes to say he�s a big supporter of Mayor Bloomberg and the fact that the mayor called him to thank him for his support when he was elected.

�I would love to see the mayor�s face if he saw the big sodas that he likes to drink. It�s kind of ironic.�

Additional reporting by Lorena Mongelli






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You spout what you claim as second hand info. I call bullshit.

Neither Boeing, or any other company pays a worker who is on strike. And no... there is no back pay for the time spent on strike.

I suspect that you are a liar who makes up your story as you go along.

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LOL are you that stupid or are you just drunk I can't believe a lot more guys haven't called you out on this.

You have zero credibility! Clue one for you don't listen to drunk union workers on strike for facts about the strike etc.

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Originally Posted by 17ACKLEYBEE
LOL are you that stupid or are you just drunk I can't believe a lot more guys haven't called you out on this.

You have zero credibility! Clue one for you don't listen to drunk union workers on strike for facts about the strike etc.


So unions donated zero dollars to the Obama election machine in 2012?

Unions did not come out last year and support and recruit illegal immigration?

So again trying to follow your logic. You and your union donated money( 100's of millions of dollars) to Obama TWICE and other radical social Democrats and their policies destroyed our economy. Millions of American lost their jobs and health insurance. Now you come on here and want sympathy from non union members?

Who is the one here who is drunk?

Were you one of the drunk union guys "on strike" that I met in E WA elk camps?

So the communist party just gave an award to your union. I guess you changed my mind
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2010/12/09/afl-cio-leader-gladly-accepts-communist-party-award/


Remind you of someone?


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About 14% of Americans belong to unions have 14% of the country ever won a election you are aware of.

I will say you are sure good at stepping in the [bleep].

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So much did you and your unions donate to socialist radicals like Obama?

Why does your union support the rights of illegal aliens over Americans?

Please prove otherwise. Am waiting

Every read a news paper? Didn't your union luvin hero obama try and destroy Boeing with the National labor relations Board 2 years ago?

More good news for Boeing from your hero Obama. More lost jobs thanks to union luvin Obama

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...-Day-After-Election-To-Announce-Lay-Offs

17ackleybee Obama and the Communist Party both send their thanks


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Now I know you're a phuocing drunk! Rotflmao.

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Originally Posted by 17ACKLEYBEE
About 14% of Americans belong to unions have 14% of the country ever won a election you are aware of.

I will say you are sure good at stepping in the [bleep].


Sorry you hate me for not supporting your hero Obama.

So unions have no political power so Obama sent you and your union brothers to crucial swing states like Ohio to help out and intimidate voters.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/11/are-unions-obamas-secret-weapon-in-ohio/264516/


MONEY WINS ELECTIONS and you and your precious unions donated over $400 million twice ( 2008 2012) to Obama and were instrumental in him and other radicals gaining power.


Nice grade school try union shill.

Tell me again how unions and Obama are good for America


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Well since you have no credible Boeing knowledge let me give you a short history lesson Mr. Dogmatic.

Years ago Boeing had a CEO who we will refer to as TAW.
He was elderly and on a few given days a month you would catch ole TA walking around the company talking with employees. Oh the shame.

Time passes and a few CEO's come and go. Then appears a man on the scene that we will for all purposes refer to as Phil Condom. Phil is company grown but has one problem women. He agrees with the McDougal company and move HQ to chitcago. Now there is another man we need to get acquanted with Hairy Stonesucker the number two man. Hairy thinks he's the most important thing since rice because his office is four times larger than Phil's.

Well with Phil's help they set him up and get him out of the way. Now Hairy Stonesucker is the man. But not for long because he loses Boeing a big contract as I remember it because he was Fing a hot peace of something in the Defense department.

But before I get to far ahead of myself ole TAW used to make 1 million a year or just short of it and 700,000 in bonuses in a good year. While being able to afford healthcare,eyecare, dential, retirement all on the company.

Then we skip some time and we move onto Jimbo McNerny. Out of the box without much of a track record he gets about 1.7 million in salary. Oh but not to forget the 22 million dollar signing bonus and several million of dollars in life isurance and numerios other perks. But now things have drastically changed. The boeing company is now only making 1.2 billion a quarter. Now they discover they just can't afford what they did when they made 800,000 profit a year.

You see there are two sides to every coin. But frankly it won't matter to you because you are an anti union Zealot.

Did you ever catch in my posts I've never been a union member? No because you don't have a brain or are too drunk to comprehend or both.

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Boeing has Government Services headquarters in Rosslyn, Va. The entire building is top executives & staff. I will not get involved in the union vs. non-union squabble, but these executives are extremely well paid as well as staff. Most of the executives drive luxury cars or exotic sport cars. Even secretaries drive top of the line Toyotas or other very nice SUV's. Every day hoards of food is brought in for the executives & a large kitchen staff does set up. They have their own gym & every benefit you can imagine. In general, the executives live like royalty here.


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Originally Posted by ribka
I know quite few guys that work at Boeing. Some in IT, management and some on the line. Have not heard any positive pro union stories from any of them.


My favorite uncle worked as a Boeing Union employee in production, flight test and as a field rep. He was a life-long loyal member of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers and didn't learn a thing when he helped that union destroy his prior 25 year employer Eastern Airlines. I liked him a lot and as he was dying of self-inflicted lung cancer he finally acknowledged that the union he had supported for 40 years was a near-sighted self-serving organization that was not out to help employees and was simply working to perpetuate the class warfare of the left for their own gain.


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Pugs what you say is very true. The problem is you need to figure out who is going to F you less. Guess that's why I have never belonged to a union. I did believe in one thing while I was working make yourself so valuable they can't afford to lose you. When I left my last job I made it look so easy they thought they would just push my job onto another person. Before long things were not going well and the high level customers where complaining. They hired three people to replace me. Now that really tickled. They had sent me an email in the form of a questionaire asking if I'd consider coming back to work. I told them in the comments section I didn't think the CEO would agree to someone in the company making more money than him.

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There have been rumors for years that Boeing was moving to Burns/Hines, Oregon (the middle of no where). Talk about a bunch of pissed off Boeing staff!


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Boeing is a big employer south of here in Portland, Oregon. I know a married couple working for them that will retire in a few years, and they are going ot skedaddle to Baker City as soon as they can. They're building now.


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Originally Posted by Bulletbutt
Boeing is a big employer south of here in Portland, Oregon. I know a married couple working for them that will retire in a few years, and they are going ot skedaddle to Baker City as soon as they can. They're building now.


Boy they sure picked an out of the main stream place. I wonder why they just didn't go down the road a piece to Lime.

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