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I was justing wanting some feedback on how the 300wsm performed at longrange 300 yards plus on deer,elk and etc. And how does the 300wsm compare with the 300 ultra at these ranges I know the 300 ultra is faster and more energy but I was wondering if their is much of differnce bettween the two at long ranges. I'm thinking about ordering a Christensen arms as ligtweight, longrange rifle comb, and cant decide between the two, also if I get 300wsm in a 26 inch barrel will that equal the 300wsm with the 300 ultra in performance
thanks guys

300 yards or so there is no difference. You'll never make a wsm into a RUM no matter what you do. 300 yards is 06 range in reality so if you want the wsm grab it and go without a doubt.

Jeff

I do not quite understand ? The idea of the WSM is to use a short action and a more compact rifle. The RUM uses a large action and burns about 30% more powder they both shoot 30 cal bullets but the RUM shoots them about 400 fps faster . What are you asking exactly?

I got 2 friends making one shot kills on whitetails with both calibers at 500+ yards...futherst so far for the wsm was 560, the rum was 638...They are playing with groundhogs and coyotes near 1000....both drive elevation turrents and cheatsheets....and both handload the heck out 'em...

I shot an elk last fall with my .300 WSM at 293 lasered yards. She was standing on the edge of some nasty blow-down aspen trees that I couldn't get my horses into, so I held for a high shoulder shot and dropped her in her tracks. The load was 168 gr. TSX at 2900 fps. I got complete penetration and didn't ruin any meat to speak of. My cheat-sheet, which I haven't actually test shot at range yet, gives the following predictions: 2.5 high @100, 2.11 high @200, -3.42 @300, -14.69 @ 400, -32.41 @ 500 yds. I'll test shoot this when the snow is gone, but at 200 yds it is pretty close to this figure. My .300 Jarrett, shooting 200 gr bullets at 3000 fps was -27 @ 500, so there is a fairly significant difference in ballistics between the big-cased magnums and more moderate ones. Does it make much difference in the field? Not if I use ballistics charts and verify them in the field. All ranging is always done with a Leica LRF. How far are you planning on shooting? How mobile do you want your rifle to be? For a light-weight I would go with the Christensen you are contemplating, chambered in the WSM with a 24" barrel and enjoy a light, accurate, hard hitting rifle capable of taking big-game out at loong range. If you want varmint accuracy, or big-game capability out past the 500 yd mark, I would go with the ultra and a heavier barrel taper. I have done a fair amount of long range shooting and my experience has been that 500 yds is very doable with the added velocity of a magnum, but once you get much past that mark things start changing really fast. Bullets are falling at an accelerating rate and bullet energy is too. For all the powder I've burned practicing with my big-game rifles out to 500, I've only killed 2, out of just over 40 big animals, anywhere near that range. Most of my shots have been within 150 yds. I still shoot out there but mostly with my varmint rifles now. I have gone away from the heavy long range elk blasters and more to lighter, easier carrying rifles chambered for more conventional case capacities. I finally started getting enough throat erosion in that .300 Jarrett that it would no longer shoot MOA with my hunting loads. It should come back home in a month or so, with a rebore, as a .358 STA, a nice, though not so mild mannered, rifle suitable for civilized elk hunting company, or with nearly 5000 ft/lbs muzzle energy that shoots as flat as a .300 magnum of conventional case capacity, also suitable for very uncivilized hairy creatures with built-in weapons and bad attitudes.

I have shot a 338 win mag for 20 yrs. and have hand loaded for about as long. 3yrs ago I started loading TSX 185,H4350 powder 73.5gr WLRM primers This rifle I shoot these rds. out of is a custom 09 argintine mauser action Chick Donnley barrel timney trigger Mcmillen stock it shoots less than 1/2" @ 100yrds I have Burris Euro Dia. W/ballistic plex which puts me dead on @ 200 and puts me with in inches @ 300,400,500,and 600 now 338s were intended to shoot BIGGER bullets but I am having fun playing with the smaller ones I failed to mention that my velocity is 3250

I talked to the boys on the phone and I have to correct myself...the wsm was 540 and the rum was 632....my recollection was close...both with 180 grain NBT's BTW...

To me the wsn is no better than 30-06, infact I would perfer the 30-06. Five shell instead of three. Flinch posted speeds out of 26 barrel, that I am shooting my 300 win. mag. out of a 24' barrel. Lets see 400 feet a second differance. Bow 175 fps, colt 45 long colt 600 fps. Seems that 400 fps made all the differance in the world. Were talking hunting game where energy gets the job done. The wsm is not my long range gun.
duckgunner. P.S. This was ment for the orignal poster, no flames intened to wildswalker or anyone else for that matter.

I like 175SMK's outta my 24" Hart 300WSM at 3150fps.

I'd not shudder in manic apprehension,if a RUM Toter sidled along next to me,be it a poke at Game or 1K paper.

The 300WSM in application,far exceeded my preownership suppositions...................

Big Stick, come on <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />, I don't have to come to Alaska to get out shot at 1k. If I get back to Alsaka it would be nice to spend a day with you. Beside I beleave I guy who knows what he wants built, and has it done right is always happy with the finished project. I still like my 300 Win. Mag. If it won't get the job done, I dout the 300 ultra would have made the differane. I might have sold the wsm short but I dout I will ever owne one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> duckgunner

Funny,

I'd think a 6# and change Kimber montanna topped with a turreted 6X42 pushing 168's @ 3200 fps would be one heck of a better rig than an -06 that weighed a few pounds more, and was just breaking 3000 fps with 168's.

It really comes down to the package you want, pick the rifle weight and how fast you want to push a given bullet and the rest works itself out.

The 300 wsm is an honest 600 yd deer rifle for the shooter that is up to the task. Those that belittle the 300 wsm simply don't have a use for a fetherweight flat shooting 30 cal rifle.

If you want a fetherweight rig, the 300 wsm is as much powder as I'd want to burn in a 30 cal. If you're looking for long tube and ultamite long range potential, I'd opt for the 300 ultra.

My love for the 300Winny,is no secret,nor forged under false pretense. GREAT cartridge,it's never done me wrong and I've shot it hard,for many moons.

That being said,I prefer the Whizzum.

Had a 30-378Wby for a spell,was ready to become enthralled,but it never happened. My dainty Whizzum would thrash it across the course,in ugly fashion.

My love for the 300Super(30-8mmRemmag) remains intact,but I now view it as a specialized niche offering,after the advent of the Whizzum.

For distant payloads,the Super is still my baby.....................

The Montana Whizzum/X-boolit/Leupie turrets/LRF combo is mighty difficult to whoop on,in practical application.

I'd not wanna be a Thang..................

Thanks guys for all your help, and I have a question for Big Stick what you are calling a 300Winny is that a 300wsm.

What I dont understand is people thinking that there are no lightweight rifles built on traditional calibers and magnum calibers. You can buy any of the Browning Stalker series, a Tikka T3 Lite, and Sakos. They are available in 300 WM and 338 WM as well as the 7mm and 30-06. All weigh less than 7lbs and are proven rifles. I bought and sold a 325 WSM becasue of ammo availability but I dont get the obsession with the 300WSM. My Tikka T3 Lite in 300 WM scoped weighs less than 7 1/2 lbs. I can shoot a 150 or 165 grain bullet for sheep and also stuff a couple 200 grain A-Frames in her for the low country where I am more apt to run into a griz. Pretty damn versatile. Also you can buy ammo anywhere. The 300 wsm I am sure would be great if you handload, but just dont see where its a better tool than the 300WM. The extra 200 fps is not that critical IMO, and I am sure could easily be made up in 300WM handloaders bench.Just my opinion

300 Whinny = 300 Winchester Magnum
Whizzum = Winchester WSM

Am thinking I can translate stick speek, 300 whinny is 300 winchester magnum, the original winchester 30 cal mag on the 2.5" belted case. 300 wizzum is the 300 WSM is the 300 Winchester short mag, 2.1" long case based on a rimless 348 winchester case (some folks claim a shortened 404, but the 404 is .540" at the base vs .550" for the 348) I'm an ingeneur, forgive for chasing nat's azzes.

As to a lightweight 300 win mag, sure they are availble and produced, but still a pound heavier than the Kimber montannas.

I think the 300 WSM montanna is just a perfectly balanced package. 7# all up, and all the performance and recoil you'd want in such a rig. I know I wouldn't want to be burning another 10% more powder for an extra 100 fps in such a rig. And there are certainly applications where a 7# rig is to be preferred to an 8# rig.

Put me at the bench, and I'd be just as content with a 7# 300 wizzum, 8# 300 winny or a 10# 300 ultra. Send me up the mountains after blacktails or sheep, and the 300 wizzum get's the grab every time.

30-06 at 3,000 fps with a 168 bullet? that seems pretty damn high speed for a 30-06

With a 26" tube 3000 fps and 168 TXS's is not difficult to do. winchester case's, federal 210 primer and 59 grains H-4350 and you are there

Duckgunner:
...No better than a 30-06. (u cant see me but Im smiling) HAH.
My personal experience. All M70's
30-06 62 gr. 180gr 2750fps
300 WSM 69gr 180gr. 3050fps
300 WIN 75.5gr 180gr. 3100fps
Plus Kimbers make the WSM and should be ready to hunt at around 7lbs 3.oz. I dont think I would like a 300win so light.
I feel that I have stepped on Holy ground here at the Campfire because these guys love the winny. The WSM all the way. I couldnt wait to get rid of that win and you dislike the WSM. Maybe we should have traded. Different strokes is all. Take Care. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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