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"The use of BDC turrets as a first line compensation method kind of went out with log books."
No data books no mo????
Well.... it is a different oldsmobile these days... Yup, and no morse code/HF radios, and nobody knows how to patrol dismounted. The chinese are going to stomp the dogschit out of us one day.
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I went through when they still taught log books religiously. I didnt keep one, much to the chargin of the cadre, and I set the course record. It seemed retarded then, and I still think it is. Log books are for Highpower shooters that shoot the same ranges every year. There is nothing in a log book from Ft. Bragg, Benning, or 29 Palms that will help me 10k feet up a snow covered mountainside half a world away. And even if it did, am I going to carry 8 different log books on every mission and then in the middle of a TIC search through them page by page for conditions that might be similar...?
IME log books for snipers are emotional woobie. In time sensitive unknown conditions I'll use my PDA or IPHONE to get real time information, or I'll pull the data from the drop card taped to the gun.
Btw- I use HF weekly, and dismount patrol quite a bit. Not sure why old school guys think they were so much better. We can't train on everything, so we train on the stuff that we slaughter the enemy with. Our troops today would embarrass troops from 20-30 years ago. I believe fully in the basics and worse case scenarios, but the fact is we are worlds ahead in capability of what we were then.
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I have thought about the use and value of log books over the years. I use it to learn my rifle but I only use the detailed log book at the range. In the real world I take cheat sheets with distilled proven data.
I assume that gadgets will get broken and lost, stomped or drowned- but of course folks could say the same for log books and cheat sheets.
I am ALWAYS looking for elegant simplicity and a better way of doing it.
I always stayed away from Load Specific cranky knobs because things change.
I wish there were more MOA reticles and Knobs instead of Mil/Mil but hey... there you go, military is a meter/metric kind of world. What is it??? The tangent of one miliradian is .001 or something making the math simpler.
There is a time... to refrain from embracing
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What, young dudes who haven't slept, loose stuff? Ya don't say! I suppose stuff could get broken on a night parachute jump too, ya think? You musta been an azzhole Tm Sergeant But WTF do I know. PACE-Primary, Alternate, Contingency, Emergency.
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I have thought about the use and value of log books over the years. I use it to learn my rifle but I only use the detailed log book at the range. In the real world I take cheat sheets with distilled proven data.
I assume that gadgets will get broken and lost, stomped or drowned- but of course folks could say the same for log books and cheat sheets.
I am ALWAYS looking for elegant simplicity and a better way of doing it.
I always stayed away from Load Specific cranky knobs because things change.
I wish there were more MOA reticles and Knobs instead of Mil/Mil but hey... there you go, military is a meter/metric kind of world. What is it??? The tangent of one miliradian is .001 or something making the math simpler. Traditionally the military has used mil reticles and MOA turrets. I used MOA reticle and turrets when I started out but have since switched to mil/mil either one works but I have found that I like mil/mil better
I got banned on another web site for a debate that happened on this site. That's a first
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I wish there were more MOA reticles and Knobs instead of Mil/Mil but hey... there you go, military is a meter/metric kind of world. Nah, those aren't 1/10th-mil clicks. They're 1/3-minute clicks and 3 1/3-minute dots/hashes.
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I run 6x42's to 500 and it ain't no thang. Only hiccup with CDS is they spin a little light. If you have a rifle strapped to your pack, it's possible that it'll turn a bit. BTDT
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I wish there were more MOA reticles and Knobs instead of Mil/Mil but hey... there you go, military is a meter/metric kind of world. Nah, those aren't 1/10th-mil clicks. They're 1/3-minute clicks and 3 1/3-minute dots/hashes. Let's not get sloppy now.
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I haven't convinced myself that I can measure what I've measured well enough to tell: Do you know whether 1/10th-mil clicks in typical consumer riflescopes are 1/10 of a milliradian, or 1/64,000 of a circle? Perhaps that depends upon whether we're talking about Russian consumers, American consumers, European consumers, etc?
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But we can't just leave a 0.0104413438 moa difference per click floating around out there, can we?
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Just trying to be un-sloppy. :p
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