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What gives the right for various Governments to intercept
boats suspected of carrying drugs in the highseas?
I can appreciate if the boat in question is stopped in territorial waters, or as Steely mentioned above, if its a US registered ship, and is stopped by the USN or USCG..
However,I am under the impression that the USCG intercepts a lot of the drug running boast coming up from South America while they are still in international waters..
Are there international laws/treaties that allow them to do this or is it a case of "might is right"? I�m not sure about the �right� but there is longstanding precedent that goes back to your Royal Navy. The Royal Navy (and many other Navies) have boarded ANY ship suspected of illicit activity in most any way; and has done so for centuries. First it began as searching for arms going to a nation they were at war with, but it later expanded to most any illicit activity that was against what England considered �the law�. Most ships fly under a flag of convenience, and as such the flag of convenience nations typically don�t make any issue of US boarding the ships; so the US just generally gets away with it. But I believe there has to be reasonable suspicion of illicit activity in violation of international laws (and drugs are), or suspicion that the vessel is carrying illicit cargo headed for the US. Now if a ship is under a US flag, the USGC can board it anywhere, anytime.
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The Coast Guard used to fall under the Dept Of Commerce or Treasury (can't remember off hand) but they are now under DHS. In times of war as in WWII, they can and have transferred to DoD. My recollection was the they fell under the Department of Transportation, not Treasury. We've been under both.
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International waters begin at 200 miles off the US coast. The USC that Steelhead cited reads that USCG has authority in international waters as well. As long as we're not in the demarcation line of another country's bounderies.
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I was discharged August of 1969 and I think my DD214 still said Treasury Department. Don't really remember for sure but it didn't matter, I was still "Guard" for life and shed a tear when I look at pics of my old ship USCGC Dependable.
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We shifted to DOT in 1967.
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The Coast Guard used to fall under the Dept Of Commerce or Treasury (can't remember off hand) but they are now under DHS. In times of war as in WWII, they can and have transferred to DoD. My recollection was the they fell under the Department of Transportation, not Treasury. correct
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The Coast Guard used to fall under the Dept Of Commerce or Treasury (can't remember off hand) but they are now under DHS. In times of war as in WWII, they can and have transferred to DoD. My recollection was the they fell under the Department of Transportation, not Treasury. correct Again, we were under the Treasury Dept until 1967 when we were shifted to DOT and then DHS in 2002.
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I believe that is what I wrote in my OP excapt I wrote Commerce.
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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I retired less than a year ago and all but 2 units I was stationed at have been decommissioned.
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You Bet. I was a "Plankowner". Chris
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When I was in Costa Rica last summer, there were Coast Guard C-130s in and out of the airport at Liberia all day long. Had some choppers there, too. My understanding is that Costa Rica does not have an army and depends upon treaties and other international agreements for military assistance.
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I�m not sure about the �right� but there is longstanding precedent that goes back to your Royal Navy. The Royal Navy (and many other Navies) have boarded ANY ship suspected of illicit activity in most any way; and has done so for centuries. First it began as searching for arms going to a nation they were at war with, but it later expanded to most any illicit activity that was against what England considered �the law�.
Most ships fly under a flag of convenience, and as such the flag of convenience nations typically don�t make any issue of US boarding the ships; so the US just generally gets away with it. But I believe there has to be reasonable suspicion of illicit activity in violation of international laws (and drugs are), or suspicion that the vessel is carrying illicit cargo headed for the US.
Now if a ship is under a US flag, the USGC can board it anywhere, anytime.
I realise the precedent is a historic one, but just wondered how it worked in todays more politically correct times..
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You Bet. I was a "Plankowner". Chris What do you mean was a "Plankowner?" As a "Plankowner" you are still a "Plankowner" even though it has been decommissioned, just like I am a "Plankowner" of USNMag Yellow Water,FL. That is an Honor that you hold and no-one can take that away from you, you can take that Honor to the Grave.
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She isn't decommissioned, she's still rolling.
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So do they operate under UCMJ? I have always been vague on how the CG operates, not being DoD but a branch of the military.
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She isn't decommissioned, she's still rolling. That's great Steelhead. He mentioned that he was a "Plank Owner" like it was in the past tense, and all I was trying to do say as a "Plank Owner" and that is an honor that can not be taken away from him whether the ship, boat or base is still on the active or decommissioned list.
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So do they operate under UCMJ? I have always been vague on how the CG operates, not being DoD but a branch of the military. Yep, we are bound by USMJ, we are a branch of the military, just like any other. Same rank structure as the Navy, same pay scale, same everything.
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USCG is an armed service, not a uniformed service. That did make for some interesting conversations back in the day. With those in other "Armed" services.
At the base armory there were still some 1928 Thompsons and at one time a pile- literally- of AK-47's on the floor.
Green ID said "Armed----".
Transportation when I was with the CG.
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I thought the CG was DOD and had members on the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at least they seemed to be during my time in the USN in the 1980s. It seems possible though that they might've been transferred to DHS after the inception of that department. I think organizationally they are DOD and perhaps also receive funding from Transportation or DHS or both.
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Used to be that they would fall under the Secretary of War and the Navy during a declared war back when we still had such. Who knows what twists and curves happen now. The Department of Homeland Security is so big and has so much jurisdiction that it is simply mind boggling. Despite that all those that I've known that have served in the CG were/are true professionals and do a difficult mission well. I'm sure that I've probably said something not quite right and Steelie with be along to kick my ass shortly. 
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