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Demand pushes innovation and capitalism....this is much stronger than electric.
Our HEB grocery store has an electric charge station and I've never seen a car there.
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Something clever here.
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It is interesting, but time will tell. I don't blame the station owners for not wanting to spend the $$$ though. Would you spend $100,000+ to make 6-8cts/gallon? I'm also curious as to the fuel economy vs gasoline and if it's worth it.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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An Aluminum body? Even the Brits and Italians gave up on that idiotic idea and on a truck? It will look like crap in six months with that thin skin. Aluminum alloy....we ain't Brit or Italian Fine for airplanes but for trucks? pass,
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Aluminum huh? Can't imagine what the outcome would be if you were to hit another vehicle, say a semi, bus or non-aluminum bodied pickup. So what kind of mileage would something like this get?
That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.
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15min to fill the tank at a "quick" fill? That jibes with what I read a few months ago in the paper here. The local energy company is allowing people to fill up at their compressor station in Afton, but it takes a while. They will loan you a vehicle if you're in a hurry.
Filling up at home isn't going to be allowed for long. There is no way to collect road taxes if you fill up from your home line.
Stupidity is expensive
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!
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When/if NG starts to take a significant market share oil prices will react downward. Middle East/Venezuela etc become less important. No more market fear tactics when N. Korea breaks wind or crazy Islamists kill more of each other. As far as road taxes go it won't be as easy as marking farm diesel but you can bet the tax czars will figure out a way.
“When Tyranny becomes Law, Rebellion becomes Duty”
Colossians 3:17 (New King James Version)
"And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."
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I work in the natural gas industry. Problem is we are having a hard time getting the service stations to install the natural gas filling stations. These stations require a compressor and compressed gas storage tanks. Space is one problem. The Big Oil stations are another. They do not want to install them. The American Gas Association (natural gas association) is trying to get stations installed every 100 miles or so along the interstate system. Normally right now only utilities or fleets have natural gas, and they own their own stations and do not sell to the public. These Ford trucks will be bought by utilities who are into natural gas. Gas companies, postal delivery trucks, UPS, phone company, etc. It actually pays out for these companies if they have 20-25 vehicles. Fuel costs saved pays for the conversion and compressor stations. Natural gas equivelant energy costs vs gasoline or diesel is about $1.84 a gallon. Once fleets are firmly established it is a matter of time for other vehicles.
Our marketing personell get Honda Civics for their vehicles and they are natural gas powered. Honda sells a slow fill compressor about the size of a water heater to slow fill their cars overnight or you can quick fill at our station. It gets about 150 miles on a fill range and can be filled in 15 minutes at a quick fill station.
We have an F-250 combo diesel/natural gas truck that when blended gets 36 mpg diesel.
Advantages: Cleaner, about 60% less carbon into the atmosphere, cheaper, all American produced, about a 200 year supply HERE. Not imported fuel so money stays in America. It actually helps the engines last longer also. Less fouling. Dedicated vehicles do not need a catylitic converter.
Disadvantages: Only one major one, getting the compressors installed at fuel supply stations. Natural gas is not available in some rural and remote areas, especially in the west. However, new pipelines can be installed along the interstates and US highways to supply fueling stations. (more work for americans). Now THERE is a great spot for a tax break that could pay great dividends. Natural Gas is a �natural� for route trucks and buses or other local vehicles that can use the same station to refuel.
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SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."
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Australia has been using natural gas (LPG) since the 70's. The taxi's and buses always use it and many cars have the tanks designed in or added.
When it was introduced, the cost of the gas was about 20% that of petrol. "was", being the operative word.
It is not new technology, the US is way behind in a lot of areas.
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Ford has never been a great truck and never will be.
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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Ford has never been a great truck and never will be. Thanks for the chuckle bea, that was a good one. 
That's ok, I'll ass shoot a dink.
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FORD = Found on the road dead
FORD = Fix and repair daily
A Doe walks out of the woods today and says, that is the last time I'm going to do that for Two Bucks.
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1911's suck. The .30-06 is obsolete. This list could get long. 
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery.
Hit the target, all else is twaddle!
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FORD = Found on the road dead
FORD = Fix and repair daily They may not be great trucks, but they beat the he!! out of anything Government Motors makes... if you want a work truck! If you want a city driver...
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When a country is well governed, poverty and a mean condition are something to be ashamed of. When a country is ill governed, riches and honors are something to be ashamed of
. Confucius
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Old Turd- Deplorable- Unrepentant Murderer- Domestic Violent Extremist
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our buddy ford........Ford's cooperation with the Nazis continued until at least August 1942-eight months after the United States entered the war-through its properties in Vichy France. Indeed, a secret wartime report prepared by the US Treasury Department concluded that the Ford family sought to further its business interests by encouraging Ford of France executives to work with German officials overseeing the occupation. "There would seem to be at least a tacit acceptance by [Henry Ford's son] Mr. Edsel Ford of the reliance...on the known neutrality of the Ford family as a basis of receipt of favors from the German Reich," it says.
The new information about Ford's World War II role comes at a time of growing attention to corporate collaboration with the Third Reich. In 1998 Swiss banks reached a settlement with Holocaust survivors and agreed to pay $ 1.25 billion. That set the stage for a host of new Holocaust-related revelations as well as legal claims stemming from such issues as looted art and unpaid insurance benefits. This past November NBC News reported that Chase Manhattan's French branch froze Jewish accounts at the request of German occupation authorities. Chase's Paris branch manager, Carlos Niedermann, worked closely with German officials and approved loans to finance war production for the Nazi Army. In Germany the government and about fifty firms that employed slave and forced labor during World War II-including Bayer, BMW, Volkswagen and Daimler-Chrysler-reached agreement in mid-December to establish a $5.1 billion fund to pay victims
I work harder than a ugly stripper....
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Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.
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I do like ford trucks, but a natural gas engine might be difficult to find fuel for no?
Yes.. "Not only is natural gas 50% to 80% cheaper than regular gasoline, " ---- for now. But what will the freakin' states charge for road taxes??? You can bet they'll look at this as another GREAT source of revenue.. Ford has never been a great truck and never will be. Thanks for the chuckle bea, that was a good one. It was indeed!! Local farmers in the area say, "if ya wanna look purdy, buy GM. If ya wanna PULL anything, buy the Ford.." Reminds me - I'm almost outta popcorn.. Thanks for the reminder.
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