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How many would take Walt Kowalski's guns?

He would likely fit the criteria for mental illness. Probably has PTSD, depressed over the death of his wife, and quite possibly alcoholic.

There are probably a couple of hundred categories of mental illness, from serious psychotic conditions like schizophrenia to the mental equivalent of the common cold. Or are they all just "nut jobs" who shouldn't have the right of self defense?

Where do you draw the line? What about Walt?

Paul

Indeed, sir.

And I think there are a lot more of us old veterans that may not die from old age - instead die for one last service to the country.

And I'd be proud to stand right with ya..

Welcome to the 'fire sir..

That.

Unlike rank and file politicians who view their oath of office as a formality, most vets have an indelible recollection of that administration. We were never relieved of that 'burden', never given a "King's X" or "Olly, Olly, Oxen Free".

Lot of us are really grumpy these days, the trail is getting steep and ideals are more dear than pain is intimidating.

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I still have memories about turning in a morning report with 3 strikeovers on it....or spelling the CO's name wrong because I got one storke in before the other. However, after struggling through the morning, I had the rest of the day to test fire all the Battery's and Company's small arms, the M2 being my favorite.

Thanks, T LEE for the forced flashbacks. Maybe now I can back to driving some ol' M60A1's just for the sheer pleasure of that.

This is a great movie to the topic:

As Far As My Feet Will Carry Me

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0277327/

I guess i can talk about it now, since both are now dead. The first one was a machine gunner, german, on the eastern front. Fascinating stories of survival, such as jumping off a train bound for siberia and walking back to germany. He was a member of the hitler youngen, their version of our boy scouts. He said going into the army wasn't exactly an option. He was 16. You either did or you and your whole family ended up in a camp. He later migrated to canada. His brother in law was at my house one day, and pulled up his polo shirt to show me the lightening bolts under his arm. Yes, he was in the S.S. He was about 16 when he went in during the fall of 44, almost immediately got shot, and spent the rest of the war in the hospital. His obit recently reflected many many fine things he did in canada, where he had become a citizen. The reality of history is often much different than that written after an agenda is pushed. And it is usually written by the victors who put their own spin on it.

I have another one, the fellow was my brother in law, now deceased. He enlisted in the navy at 15, lied about it to get in, and was a coxain(?) on a higgins landing boat. He was a participant in very heavy combat in the pacific. I asked him one time if he hated the japanese, he said no, he actually admired them. He said most were just kids doing what their govt told them to do, just like we were just kids doing what our govt told us to do. As to japanese atrocities? He said yeah, we wrote most of the history books of the period, and do you see any mention in there of american sailors machine gunning shipwrecked japanese sailors for sport and laughing about it? His comment was there were no winners in war.
Up into the 60's you didn't approach him when sleeping without making noise. As to tough, he was a fleet golden gloves champion. One of the most gentlest and toughest men i ever knew.

Yep...

Like your picture in your avatar spot. Only thing missing is 115 degrees and 90% humidity.... Not sure how they could have put that into the statue but the figures did good to represent how drug-out we all felt from the heat,insects (two-legged ones too.!)and mud/water with inyournose-stench.! Loved the Delta.!

Good thread for us old farts in the service lines.... Don't forget,we have NOW been RE-LABELED as TERRORISTS by NANNYPELOSI and are prime targets for gun control due to our mental state as veterans...... Funny,the more sane you get,the MORE the left tries to say you aren't.!!!!
Kinda makes you wonder what DC has done to THEIR MENTAL state and why they haven't been "Labeled" by their own ranks... Guessing worthless drunks aren't in the labeling categories.

The Nazi HORROR was probably the onlything I can think of that has brought the entire planet into and almost unified struggle to eradicate it. Gotta hand it to all the WWII crew,you saved the entire world from a madman..... Ask any Jew or others from the camps.
Now we just have to keep it all in the history books and prevent the progressive left and the muslim's from getting it erased from HIstory. I still wear my Grandfather's family ring in his memory... he was on Saipan after Europe. He never was totally right the whole time I remember him...He cried the day I left for Viet Nam.. That WWII war ravaged him as it did many others.
I salute you all,and the memories of your friends gone before.

Labeling is the method Government uses to segregate and nullify...which is generally fine if you or yours are not in the group it is being applied to.

After all, it is all for the safety of the children...isn't it...?

Well, it's not just us ornery old men. My sweet wife swears that if (when?) they come to take our guns, she will be the first one to pull a trigger.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! That movie is horrible. They so totally screwed up the "Real" ending which is actually pretty interesting, to two "snipers" wandering around the train station like idiots. Ahhhh worst movie EVAH!

I'm with Shreck--I'm afraid some younger people might think thats how it went and why does hollywierd think they should rewrite history.
In my younger days I knew an old Ukaranian woman who had fought on the Eastern Front. I have always felt she was one of the most dangerous people I ever met.

"Enemy at the Gates" was a movie... nothing more, and CERTAINLY not HISTORY (Short of FICTION)Shooting from cover was about the extent of truth.... the rest was as fictional as Rachel Weis "on the rocks" with the lead man.! Ranks up there with Platoon and other attempts at Viet Nam from the "Draft dodger" stand-point of view. I have yet to see any VietNam Movie that even comes close to real, and Stallone.. Well..... "First blood" for him was Sharon Stone cornering him in the shower.!HOLLYWOOD.... FAKES AT BEST.!!

The only danger posed by Walt Kowalski, Ben Mitchell, Samuel Whittemore, David Lamson, and members of, to name just a few:

National Society of Sons of the American Colonists
Society of Colonial Wars
Sons of the Revolution
Sons of the American Revolution
Hereditary Order of Loyalists & Patriots of the American Revolution
Order of the Second World War
Naval Order of the United States

Are the enemies of the US Constitution.

Might hafta do it again on a smaller scale re: the Second American Revolution to save the USA from the AIC...

From song "Copperhead Road"

"I learned a thing or two from ol' Charlie don't you know,
You better stay away from Copperhead Road"

Before he retired, Twin Cities cop Charlie O'Neil stood erect and unbleeding after several gun fights with mob gunsels � some of whom were trying to collect on the mob's contract on him.

After he retired to Montana, the contract was still out, so he always "carried" � either or both a PPK and a 9mm Sig Neuhausen.

His house and shop were a few miles west of Alberton on old two-lane highway 10. Going to town for his mail one morning, he faced only a semi pulling the grade in compound low. Nothing going in his direction � until some dude came-up behind him in an attempt to cross Montana on his coffee break.

The dude had four options �
� head-on into the semi
� wait for Charlie and the semi to get out of his way
� rear-end Charlie
� run Charlie off the road

He chose the fourth, but Charlie wouldn't let that happen. He straddled the center line until he was about to head-on into the semi. The dude had to lay rubber with a screech, dip his front end, and wait for room to go around Charlie.

When Charlie and the semi cleared the road, the dude screeched past Charlie's old car. As he passed Charlie, he shook his fist at Charlie and yelled at him.

He got more angry as he sped down the road. On the flat, with marshy ground on either side of the road, he stopped athwart the center line, got out of the car, and stomped back toward Charlie.

Charlie knew better than to pull-up close behind the dude's car, and he knew better than to sit and wait in his own car. He stopped with plenty of space ahead of him, got out of his car, and stood looking over the top of the open door.

"God damn you, you mother-f*cking old son of a bitch!" the dude cooed. "I'm going to beat the f*cking sh�t out of you!"

Dumpy little Charlie, who looked like everybody's grandfather, just smiled, picked-up his home-made elk-butchering knife (a long piece of sawmill blade) from behind his seat, slammed his car door, and walked toward the dude.

"And I'm going to hang your liver in that tree [pointing]."

The dude skidded rubber off his boot heels, ran back to his car, and left more tire rubber behind. He went out of sight soon, and Charlie never saw that car again.

I never asked him but always wondered what Charlie was carrying that morning. Probably the PPK, which the dude most likely would've sneered at and tried to take away from Charlie. Whatever. I'm sure that Charlie just didn't want to be bothered with the inevitable hassle of leaving a bleeding hunk of meat on the pavement.

When I told Bill Jordan of the incident, Bill grinned � and agreed that its deadly element wasn't Charlie's short sword but his calm, sweet smile.