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heard that this morning....cork soaker is going to ruin this country
Liberalism is a mental disorder that leads to social disease.
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That's what the LA crips do. They form an LLC then go buy full automatic M16 reimports without background checks.
DUH!
TRUMP- GABBARD 2024
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The truth about Obama's new executive orders targeting guns
By John Lott Published August 29, 2013 FoxNews.com It sure sounds scary. "Military weapons" being reimported back into the United States. Or people getting guns without background checks. But the reception being given President Obama's two new executive orders on guns largely relies on ignorance of how the current rules work.
The president's executive order banning the reimportation of "military weapons" really only affects old M-1 Garand 30-06 rifles. These rifles have been used in the Civilian Marksmanship Program program and are mainly purchased by collectors. At one time they were "military weapons," but they were used in World War II and the Korean War.
No other US-made military rifles are being imported. And, more importantly, this semi-automatic rifle is functionally no different than any semi-automatic deer hunting. They fire the same bullets at the same rapidity and do the same damage as other deer hunting rifles.
The only difference is that these old Garands tend to be relatively heavy -- in the past 60 years, manufacturers have learned how to make lighter versions of these guns.
The reception being given President Obama's two new executive orders on guns largely relies on ignorance of how the current rules work.
Despite the scary rhetoric, the White House is leaving out one important point: it isn't pointing to any cases where imported U.S.-made military weapons have been used in a crime. And the reason is obvious: there probably aren't any.
Regarding the second executive order, the only "corporate" registration is for Class III (machine guns) weapons. Again, the Obama administration doesn't provide examples of people using a corporation to register handguns or semi-automatic rifles as a way to bypass criminal background checks.
More importantly, it fails to point to any cases where such guns have been used in crimes. Corporations are used (primarily) to obtain fully-automatic machine guns, as they are usually out of the price range of most citizens (running at least about $20,000 each).
Yes, when registered to a corporation any officer is allowed to posses the machine gun, but the point that the transfer occurs still requires a NICS check for the person actually picking up the gun.
What happens under current law is that if a gun is registered to a corporation, then anyone who is an officer in the corporation would be allowed to use the gun.
As with many actions these days by the Obama administration, the president doesn't have the authority to rewrite the current rules. Changing these rules for corporations requires congressional action.
Of course, all this is typical for our president, with Obama in the past making such completely false claims as �as many as 40 percent of all gun purchases take place without a background check."
But how many times can the president cry wolf without losing all credibility?
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...ive-orders-targeting-guns/#ixzz2dPGs4sRZ
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Those "military weapons" were paid for by American tax dollars. They belong to us. If they are of no more use to the countries that have them, then we should demand them back and come up with a program to redistribute them back to the rightful owners. US!
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Infringe - the whole scheme of federal gun laws is an infringement,
Ignorance is not confined to uneducated people.
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LIBERTY!
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the dumb ass in chief poser in office needs to be impeached and imprisoned............
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Somebody needs to put The Constitution on 0bama's teleprompter. Maybe he'd read it then.
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Hp4570: This hussein obama cretin is simply a tyrant!
BUT... he has the gift of gab (much like a slick talking common street pimp looking for fresh welfare bitches for his stable!).
I do not know how this power mad socialist has confused so many American voters but he has?
Its simply mind boggling.
I fear for the future of this country and especially our Second Amendment rights.
Thanks for the link I have been busy today searching for ammo and private gun deals.
Hold into the wind
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I have a NEW EXECUTIVE ORDER.Its is Defund the hole U.S Democrats an Republican party The President an his illeagleness an the hole group of Idiots he put in . All things this Country has belong to the Citizens of the U.S. not Him or his groups of chit heads running these offices
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the dumb ass in chief poser in office needs to be impeached and imprisoned............ You're too soft... 
Hunt with Class and Classics
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What kills me it is Garands they are not allowing back in the country... and its like they don't trust folks connected with the CMP or Veterans......
The administration has to be the worst in American History, and probably the worst even compared with those in the future...
Somebody needs to send his sorry ass back to Kenya and send all of his supporters back there with them....
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"Dammit, Joe! We gotta keep a-diggin' if we're evva gonna finish this tunnel to China!"
"Good enough" isn't.
Always take your responsibilities seriously but never yourself.
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That's what the LA crips do. They form an LLC then go buy full automatic M16 reimports without background checks.
DUH! What did they do with all the real AK47s the Chinese gave them back in Clintons day?
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the dumb ass in chief poser in office needs to be impeached and imprisoned............ I could not possibly agree more.. But it'll never happen - because CONGRESS HAS NO BALLS...
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LET'S GO BRANDON!!!
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Those "military weapons" were paid for by American tax dollars. They belong to us. If they are of no more use to the countries that have them, then we should demand them back and come up with a program to redistribute them back to the rightful owners. US!
kwg 4 But think of all the good those weapons could be doing in the hands of the brotherhood or the Taliban! 
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How much longer will we put up with this?
Last edited by mtnsnake; 08/30/13.
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Guys... this ain't the first time. Bill Clinton, 1998: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/jan-june98/guns_4-6.htmlELIZABETH FARNSWORTH: Today's executive order permanently bans the importation of more than 50 types of assault weapons, primarily modifications of the AK-47 and the Israeli Uzi but also including other models. The ban comes after a review by the Treasury Department, which oversees the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms. At a White House Rose Garden event Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin explained what led to today's executive order.
A key element of the president's strategy to fight crime has been his action to make it harder for criminals to get guns, particularly semiautomatic assault weapons. We at Treasury are proud to be heavily involved in this effort through the enforcement of federal firearms laws by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms.
As part of its responsibilities, in 1989, ATF prohibited the importation into the United States of a series of semiautomatic assault rifles, which had specified military features, because these weapons were not sporting weapons. The 1989 decision, along with the 1994 assault weapons ban have made it harder for criminals to obtain semiautomatic assault weapons; however, as long as these other militarized features were removed, neither measure prevented rifles with the ability to accept large capacity military magazines which fire large numbers of bullets in a very short time frame without reloading from entering our country.
Secretary RubinToday we are taking steps to stop the flow of these deadly rapid-firing weapons by prohibiting the importation of designated semiautomatic rifles that have the ability to accept large capacity military magazines. Our decision today stems from a comprehensive review conducted by the Treasury Department and the ATF. Obama has just expanded that same thing to ALL military firearms including firearms made by the US. The only surprise here is that it took him 5 years to actually do it. Don't know if the CMP can go 3 years with no inventory, be a shame to see them disappear after 110 years of service.
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The emperor has no clothes. And never did.
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