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Scott - I think I agree with just about everything you are saying here. We've got to come up with a way to control the flood of immigrants entering the US because I don't want what we've got to be destroyed. But I can't fault them for wanting to be here and also recognize that everything changes. The country won't always be how it was when I was growing up - just like it isn't the same for me as it was for my parents. But something has got to be done. I'm not sure what. And thanks back at you.


Tracks - where did your "heritage" come from? Are you sure your real "heritage" isn't in europe working for a rich landowner and living on what he gives you? Maybe some of these folks are just trying to create a little heritage of their own to pass on.

In my small western state market research says that the Latino community has more than a billion in dollars to add to the economy in purchasing power each year. Sounds like they are contributing in some ways if not in others - and trust me when I say that the majority don't want their hands in your pockets, just a chance at something more to put in their own.

My heritage was earned by those who came here long ago, asked for nothing and got to work building a country, and a few who died keeping it together. That's not counting one who died on the confederate side in the civil war, although he worked hard to build something too. That earned me the right to be here and the duty to try to preserve it for those who come after me

Idea. We move the 1% elite out of Mexico City and the other meccas, give them the work we have that is now being done by their illegal neighbors, let the illegals go back to Mexico City, line their pockets for a few years and then in five years put the two neighborhoods all back in Mexico in a true democracy.

INVASION USA
Activists working
to 'paralyze' U.S.
Organizers of L.A. rally now plan
mass action to disrupt economy
Posted: March 31, 2006
5:00 p.m. Eastern

� 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


Rally in Phoenix March 24 protested bill to tighten border security (Courtesy Arizona Republic)
The coalition that organized an estimated 500,000 marchers in Los Angeles to protest immigration reform announced its next mass action is "an economic and labor boycott that will paralyze the U.S. economy."

The radical separatist publication La Voz de Aztlan, the Voice of Aztlan, said the proposed boycott is in response to a "racist" measure in Congress.

The House has passed a bill to tighten border security, but President Bush broadly supports rival legislation being debated in the Senate that contains a guest-worker proposal.

Coalition member Roberto Reveles of "Unidos en Arizona" said his group will host a "summit meeting" April 8 and 9 in Phoenix to work out details of the boycott.

The boycott is scheduled for May 1, the Day of the International Solidarity of Workers, or May 5, the Cinco de Mayo celebration.

Armando Navarro, coordinator of the National Alliance for Human Rights, said, "We are living through very dangerous times and we must take advantage of the moment. If we just sit and wait to see what happens, everything we have accomplished so far may go to waste. That is why we must continue the struggle to once and for all defeat that racist (House) proposal."

In Phoenix, an estimated 10,000 to 12,000 participated in a march and rally last Saturday.

"What occurred on March 24 is a consequence of the people being tired of the treatment we are receiving," Reveles said. "The first step has already been taken, we organized ourselves and have completed the first phase, now we have to prepare for the second."

Reveles said the activists "will not rest" until they see the House bill defeated.

"We are sure that the preparations we make at the summit will lead us to victory," he said. "We are united and only united will we be victorious."

La Voz de Aztlan said the two-day summit will be attended by Mexican-American and other Latino groups from Nevada, Texas, Wisconsin, Washington, New York, Chicago, California and other states.

Representatives from Mexico, Central and South America also will attend.

Navarro said the "international boycott" counts on the support of the consulates of Bolivia, Brazil, Venezuela, Colombia, Cuba and Mexico, along with Mexican labor organizations.

"We have to demonstrate to the nation, one more time, that its economic stability depends on us," Navarro said. "I am sure that our sister nations of Latin America, who are also tired of the situation, will unite with us.

The professor concluded: "That is why we will celebrate May 1, 'Day of the Worker,' with labor strikes, no purchases and go out and march. Soon they will see the impact we will have!"

As WorldNetDaily reported, one of the organizers of the L.A. rally was the Mexica Movement, which already has decided it is the "non-indigenous," white, English-speaking U.S. citizens of European descent who have to leave what they call "our continent."

Both Rep. James Sensebrenner, R-Wis., chairman of the House Judiciary Committee and a proponent of tougher border security, and California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger were caricatured as Nazis by the group on its posters and banners.

The group insists the indigenous people of the continent were the victims of genocide � a campaign of extermination that killed, according to one citation, 95 percent of their population, or 33 million people. Another citation on the same website claims the toll was 70 million to 100 million.

The only solution, says the Mexica Movement, is to expel the invaders of the last 500 years, force them to pay reparations and return the continent to its rightful heirs.

The platform of the group illustrates the diverse � and sometimes extreme � agendas of those participating in the mass mobilizations that have been seen largely as protests against efforts to curb illegal immigration.

The Mexica Movement has big issues with many other equally radical groups participating in the massive, united-front rallies, include the separatist Aztlan Movement.

Aztlan, the mythical birthplace of the Aztecs, is regarded in Chicano folklore as an area that includes California, Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico and parts of Colorado and Texas. The movement seeks to create a sovereign, Spanish-speaking state, "Republica del Norte," or the Republic of the North, that would combine the American Southwest with the northern Mexican states and eventually merge with Mexico.

La Voz de Aztlan identifies Mexicans in the U.S. as "America's Palestinians." Many Mexicans see themselves as part of a transnational ethnic group known as "La Raza," the race. A May editorial on the website, with a dateline of Los Angeles, Alta California, declares that "both La Raza and the Palestinians have been displaced by invaders that have utilized military means to conquer and occupy our territories."

Others in the coalition hope to see a "reconquest" of the American southwest by Mexico. This would not likely take place through military action, they say, but rather through a slow process of migration � both legal and illegal.

I takeThe world daily net with a pretty big grain of salt... but still, given what is happening with mass immigration in France today... sharp, very clear limits need to be set.

We are fast approaching the tipping point, which France has already passed, where there are so many of them that they prevent the majority from taking any action they don't like. Time to build the damn fence.

Wouldn't jailing illegal employers be cheaper and faster...just askin<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

that too....but it would put half the roofers in New Orleans out of business

Illegal is the key word.........................

And, anyone that hires them has their citizenship revoked and is sent to fajita land with them!!!!!!! Simple!

Huntr

Absolutely NOT! Injecting common sense into this debate is strictly off limits and will not be tolerated! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

There will be a rally/riot in downtown Dallas this weekend. I think it will be entertaining at the least and depending on the level of stupidity of the coming mob it MAY prove to be downright interesting.

Oops, I meant to quote that above....

From Teal's thread on Mexican law:


* The Mexican constitution states that foreigners - not just illegal immigrants - may be expelled for any reason and without due process. According to Article 33, "the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action." -- The Center For Security Policy

I never said that I necessarily agreed with what the article said; I just said that I thought some people might find it interesting.

Sorry I posted this and this is the first I've been back. I didn't mean to do that... it's just that I've been really busy.

B'sW

That must eliminate most illegals... I doubt they speak English, and certainly not to the point of being considered bilingual.

B'sW

Second generation Hispanics are getting most of those jobs.

Ah... that makes sense.

Like Barak, I'm not sure I know where I stand on this issue. I know that probably sounds amazing to so many who have such strong opinions.

I don't believe that anyone who is not a U.S. citizen should be able to vote; I don't believe non-citizens should be able to have any kind of government aid (welfare, food stamps, etc.); I believe that anyone who works and draws a salary (citizen or non-citizen) should have to pay the same taxes I have to pay.

But I have also been to Mexico and have spoken with people there (I am fluent in Spanish). I heard a mother, living in a small shack (about half the size of our average garage) with a dirt floor, no electricity, and no running water -- talk about walking 5 miles with her sick newborn baby (pneumonia), only to be turned away when she arrived at the doctor's because she had no money to pay. So she brought the baby back. We (I and a group of students on a spring break mission trip) heard her say how the baby would probably die. As a mother myself, that tore my heart out. The Catholic nun who was with our group told the woman that she would drive her and the baby to the doctor's the next day, and would pay for the treatment.

I can honestly say that if it meant the lives of my children, I would try to cross into the U.S. illegally if I were a Mexican woman. I believe in obeying the law, but my child's life is more important to me (rightly or wrongly).

The Aztecs came from Aztlan (land to the north, probably parts of the U.S. and perhaps Canada) and settled in Mexico. Their claim on the U.S. was lost in the Mexican War. To claim the land is rightfully theirs is as silly (IMHO) as the British claiming its original 13 colonies.

Like I said, I don't know where I stand on this issue. I also don't know where I stand on the death penalty. But that's a whole other thread... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/help.gif" alt="" />

B'sW

One of the problems that I am familar with is that it is difficult for people that are trying to get in legally. Some that want to come here to go shopping can have a difficult time. I would like to see the immagration and the border patrol be more concerned with illegals and not give the tourist such a hard time. The border patrol was giving illegals a court date then drop them off at the bus station. The local news showed the border patrol letting them off. Our congressman took the news clip to Washington.

I have probably gone back and forth accross the border about 250 times in the last eight years. I have been asked for identification five times. They will ask me if I am an American citizen. I will say yes. I used to think that they saw my skin color and heard my Midwest accent so they let me go through. But I have had Mexicans tell me that they say they are American citizens and immagration lets them in.

That's interesting. I see you're from the Rio Grande Valley. That's where my students and I were. We were back and forth across the border at Nuevo Progreso a number of times. We always had to show ID on the way back. One student was from Tanzania, and she always had a difficult time because she wasn't American. But we always had to show our passports; they didn't take our word for it.

B'sW

So Mrs B, I know you are fond of many things French. Do you see hope their current situation with mass immigration ect?

This makes sense to me:

VDH: Assimilation Is the Real Debate

Here�s a dose of reality-based commentary from Victor Davis Hanson, on America�s immigration crisis: Assimilation Is the Real Debate.

There is still a solution to the immigration problem: It involves supporting any practice that leads to the assimilation of legal Mexican immigrants into the American mainstream � and opposing everything that does not.

Employers and La Raza activists who thrive on the current non-system might not like that approach, but it is the only way to avoid the gathering political and cultural storm.

As we�ve seen from second- and third-generation legal immigrants, when a person from Mexico comes to the U.S. with legal documentation, learns English and regards an unskilled job as the start, not the end, of a career, success most often follows.

And when immigrants, of all nationalities, finds themselves surrounded by others from all over the world, they generally accept English as our vital bond and see that a common culture, not race, is what matters.

Second, numbers are important. The U.S. can assimilate hundreds of thousands of Mexicans, as it does with other immigrant groups, who come legally and are integrated throughout the nation in multiethnic neighborhoods. But it cannot assimilate quickly millions of abject poor who live in apartheid communities. There the joy of reaching the U.S. is replaced by the bitterness of becoming part of its collective underclass.

Third, immigrants can survive one strike against them, maybe two � but not three. A Mexican citizen who is here illegally might do well with fluent English and a high-school diploma. But when one is illegal, not fluent in English and without education � and immersed with millions who share such disadvantages � then we witness the sort of raw emotion now on display in Congress and on our streets.