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Great opinion piece by Thomas Sowell (part of it included below) Who Shut Down the Government? Even when it comes to something as basic, and apparently as simple and straightforward, as the question of who shut down the federal government, there are diametrically opposite answers, depending on whether you talk to Democrats or to Republicans.
There is really nothing complicated about the facts. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going -- except for ObamaCare.
This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.
As for the House of Representatives' right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.
Whether ObamaCare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.
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So its Obama,Reid way of saying puck you
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You know Zero's absolutely cooking. He's like a spoiled child when he doesn't get his way. He can't control this and it must be maddening to him. The House needs to remain adamant. Let the chips fall.
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Putin allegedly said, off the record �
"negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon.
The pigeon knocks over all the pieces, [bleep] on the board
and then struts around like it won the game."
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The answer to "Who shut down the government" seems to be Harry Reid.
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I don't know. While not a fan of Obamacare, I can't see how it's right to subvert other matters to get one's way on previously passed legislation.
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I don't know. While not a fan of Obamacare, I can't see how it's right to subvert other matters to get one's way on previously passed legislation. ...unbelievable.
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I don't know. While not a fan of Obamacare, I can't see how it's right to subvert other matters to get one's way on previously passed legislation. Like not passing a Constitutionally mandated Federal budget in the Dem controlled Senate, so you can claim the House won't fund the debt and the government? Barry could submit his, where has it been for five years? Ah, it has been in CR's.... Read about the sequester that happened almost a year ago, its agreements and try to link it to where we are now. I know its asking a lot to wish people knew what the Constitution states, to pay attention for more than week and to realize the House can de-fund legislation that has never been passed as law (like dreamt up delays for corporations, non-participation by Congress (participation mandated with the passing of the very law you claim subversion upon) and subsidized Federal employees. Where is the fury on this subversion of the legislation in question? Why do you blame those who are actually following the Constitution?
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The House has funded things this way for many years. Checks and balances at work here.
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I don't know. While not a fan of Obamacare, I can't see how it's right to subvert other matters to get one's way on previously passed legislation. The House has the right to determine how the government spends it's money. The constitution gives them that power. If they don't want to fund something they can defund it. The Dems used this power to help the communists conquer South Vietnam by refusing to fund aid that we had promised. The progressive fascists are pretending that this is not legitimate because they are trying to preserve the disaster that is ObamaCare. Don't fall for their lies. Anyway, the shut down is a good thing for the country. We have a huge deficit from the time when Obama and the progressive fascists expanded government by 25% with no benefit to the country. We need to shut down nonessential functions of government to recover from their financial disaster or 7 trillion dollars in deficit spending. Any real problems can be fixed by passing bills to fund that portion of the government such as the VA. The progressive fascists are refusing to do that though. They are trying to make the shut down hurt and are wasting money to force shutdowns of things that don't cost the government. They want to force the Republicans to surrender.
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So its Obama,Reid way of saying puck you I read that in the 17 shutdowns since 1976 and our other presidents never shut down our national parks, or national monuments.
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I wish the House had used regular order to fund every part of department except those involved in ObamaCare. Then fund those departments with the restriction that money can't be spent on ObamaCare. If Tyrant Obama wants to close down the IRS and other departments involved in ObamaCare let him.
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I don't know. While not a fan of Obamacare, I can't see how it's right to subvert other matters to get one's way on previously passed legislation. +1000 And I'd feel the same way if the Democrats were doing this to the Republicans. Add to your comment that the legislation has been upheld by the Supreme Court. This is mostly about a group of people that are upset that they have been outthought, outsmarted and outmaneuvered and beat in 2 elections by a black man. Their power base is dwindling, they don't like the changing demographics and are clueless to develop a cogent strategy to change their current trajectory. As a result, they blame the media, disparage entire ethnic groups and find fault with all but themselves. There is plenty of blame to go around to both parties. No side has a monopoly on righteousness in this debacle. There is no doubt that there are many for whom this is truly ideological and cuts against their grain. That, I fully understand. But for many; especially those on this board that are incredibly racist in their comments and disrespectful to blacks and other ethnic groups in general and the President and First Lady in particular; I suspect that this post will not sit well with you. So be it. You are entitled to your opinion - I am entitled to mine; it cuts both ways.
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It appears to me that if D's can vote a POS like Obamacare into law without 1 R vote, then R's in the House don't have to vote to fund it....
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I don't know. While not a fan of Obamacare, I can't see how it's right to subvert other matters to get one's way on previously passed legislation. +1000 And I'd feel the same way if the Democrats were doing this to the Republicans. Add to your comment that the legislation has been upheld by the Supreme Court. This is mostly about a group of people that are upset that they have been outthought, outsmarted and outmaneuvered and beat in 2 elections by a black man. Their power base is dwindling, they don't like the changing demographics and are clueless to develop a cogent strategy to change their current trajectory. As a result, they blame the media, disparage entire ethnic groups and find fault with all but themselves. There is plenty of blame to go around to both parties. No side has a monopoly on righteousness in this debacle. There is no doubt that there are many for whom this is truly ideological and cuts against their grain. That, I fully understand. But for many; especially those on this board that are incredibly racist in their comments and disrespectful to blacks and other ethnic groups in general and the President and First Lady in particular; I suspect that this post will not sit well with you. So be it. You are entitled to your opinion - I am entitled to mine; it cuts both ways. please ,
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Its always about race, huh?
Quit giving in inch by inch then looking back to lament the mile behind ya and wonder how to preserve those few feet left in front of ya. They'll never stop until they're stopped. That's a fact.
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The poor blacks they are so oppressed?
Blacks are the down trodden on this society. If they want to be part of America then start acting like it.
No one gives two [bleep] that obama is half black other than the "blacks". You talk racism start with black community. Clean up your own before you start pointing fingers!
Most blacks problems are "themselves" no one elses! Lazy, uneducated, racist that cannot thrive without the help of the white man.
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Right.....this coming from someone named "blackhunter".
mmm....nothing like trying to make yourself stand out but by the color of your skin.
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Who shut down the Government?
The $17 trillion shut it down.
All the people that were furlough were being payed with bowered money and more.
No business or Government can run on bowered money. Some day it has to fail.
The shutdown is just a small dress rehearsal of what has to happen some day.
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RACISM ALWAYS EQUALS FEAR!
THE WANTS OF THE FEW SHOULD NOT OUTWEIGH THE RIGHT OF THE MANY!
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I don't know. While not a fan of Obamacare, I can't see how it's right to subvert other matters to get one's way on previously passed legislation. +1000 And I'd feel the same way if the Democrats were doing this to the Republicans. Add to your comment that the legislation has been upheld by the Supreme Court. ... But for many; especially those on this board that are incredibly racist in their comments and disrespectful to blacks and other ethnic groups in general and the President and First Lady in particular; I suspect that this post will not sit well with you. So be it. You are entitled to your opinion - I am entitled to mine; it cuts both ways. You address two totally different topics. My comments re each: 1. You and mule do not understand the US Constitution. The House is doing what the constitution explicitly defines as its job, while the President and Senate have NOT done their constitutionally defined budget work for several years, and are trying to usurp the House role. 2. Racism at the campfire: You are absolutely correct.
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