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338 Norma.
Personally, I'd just buy a .338 Lapua in any of the newer rifles with quick change barrels and be done with it.
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338 Edge is the way I went.
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isn't a 338 edge simply a 300 rum necked up? single pass thru a 338 edge die with the expander in place? Yes, and a ballistic twin to the Lapua......
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I've watched guys hit mile steel with relative consistency, two times in my life.
Both times the shooters were shooting .338 cals in the Lapua/Edge velocity range.
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without dropping 5 bucks a shot
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If you're serious about the 1 mile, you need to contact Kirby Allen. He has several "Allen Magnum" chamberings, but his 338 Allen Magnum would probably be what you're looking for.
google: apsrifles (dot) com and I believe you'll find what you're looking for.
If you're familiar with the Chey-Tac variants, Kirby's 338 has a marginal increase over the more common 338 wildcats which use the CheyTac parent case (i think it's off of a .404 Jeffries case).
He also has a 375 Allen Magnum which from all accounts is quite speedy as well, though I suspect it's beyond the $5/rnd limiter.
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Note that the US Army is going to 300win/mag, not a 338
Not exactly. The .300 (M2010) is a stop-gap until the multi-cal PSR can be fully implemented. When that will happen with current budget issues, who knows. The .300 is a fine cartridge, but can't keep up with the .338 as ranges move past 1200+m. That 300gr Berger with its 0.818 G1 is just a bad SOB and the Lapua (or the Norma) pushes it with relative ease.
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If you're serious about the 1 mile, you need to contact Kirby Allen. He has several "Allen Magnum" chamberings, but his 338 Allen Magnum would probably be what you're looking for.
google: apsrifles (dot) com and I believe you'll find what you're looking for.
If you're familiar with the Chey-Tac variants, Kirby's 338 has a marginal increase over the more common 338 wildcats which use the CheyTac parent case (i think it's off of a .404 Jeffries case).
He also has a 375 Allen Magnum which from all accounts is quite speedy as well, though I suspect it's beyond the $5/rnd limiter. Pretty sure his Allen Xpress line are Lapua improved, The allen Mags down to the 338AM are cheytac improved(505 gibbs)
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Pretty sure his Allen Xpress line are Lapua improved, The allen Mags down to the 338AM are cheytac improved(505 gibbs) Yer right! There is one exception that I was thinking of and that's Kirby's Raptor line and specifically the 338 Raptor. The 338 Raptor is, to me, a very promising chambering as it rests between his own 338 Allen Xpress/the 338 RUM/338 Edge(and +P variant)/the 338 Lapua(and AI variant) and the HUGE 338 Allen Magnum. http://www.longrangehunting.com/forums/f19/allen-precision-338-raptor-update-93203/which is based on the 338 Excalibur (which is/was "an entirely new case") designed, I think, by Jamieson Int'l. http://www.broadswordgroup.com/338_excalibur.htmland *not* off the 404 Jeffries. My error.
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Looking to start picking up pieces for my next build. It will be used for further than 1000 and be my only big boomer. What would you choose to get to a mile without extreme barrel wear and without dropping 5 bucks a shot. I reload and am not afraid of a wildcat. Go!
Look at the .338 Edge +P on "youtube." Search for, ".338 Edge 2,751-yard shot." It uses a 300-grain Berger bullet launched over 3,300 fps at the muzzle. Here, I did the homework: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqCMfTZuWB8Can you imagine this rifle being fired with the "smart scope/software" technology? And here is some good read about the development of the .338 Edge +P: http://www.defensiveedge.net/index.php/338-edge-p
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There were .338 Lapuas and .375 Allen Mags on the line this day but only the .264 Win Mag/ 140gr VLD shot a group on the steel. In fact the big guns never even rung steel on that day. ![[Linked Image]](http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb428/GreybullPrecision/1%20Mile%20Shooting/DSCN0238_zps991b438f.jpg) Uber high BCs will not get you through the wind at a 1 mile but shootability sure helps.
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Uber high BCs will not get you through the wind at a 1 mile but shootability sure helps.
Knowin' you're about to get bich slapped don't help your shootin' does it? Reminds me of your story about Brian Enos and Seyfried's hand cannon revolver. Something about [bleep]' up 20yrs worth of trigger control?
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Looking to start picking up pieces for my next build. It will be used for further than 1000 and be my only big boomer. What would you choose to get to a mile without extreme barrel wear and without dropping 5 bucks a shot. I reload and am not afraid of a wildcat. Go!
Look at the .338 Edge +P on "youtube." Search for, ".338 Edge 2,751-yard shot." It uses a 300-grain Berger bullet launched over 3,300 fps at the muzzle. Here, I did the homework: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqCMfTZuWB8Can you imagine this rifle being fired with the "smart scope/software" technology? And here is some good read about the development of the .338 Edge +P: http://www.defensiveedge.net/index.php/338-edge-pNot sure where/who is getting 3,300fps with a 300gr SMK out of a 338 Edge +P, but Shawn Carlock didn't (looks like he stopped at 3,100fps). I think for 3,300fps using a 300gr SMK in .338 the chambering is going to have be something like a 338 Chey-Tac, Snipe-Tac or Allen Mag.
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There were .338 Lapuas and .375 Allen Mags on the line this day but only the .264 Win Mag/ 140gr VLD shot a group on the steel. In fact the big guns never even rung steel on that day. Uber high BCs will not get you through the wind at a 1 mile but shootability sure helps. Sounds good to me...I was begining to wonder 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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If you want to keep it lean and mean, 7WSM, 9 twist, 180 VLDs.
I'm with Shane here. If you're using a 6mm out to 1000 right now, then I'd step to a fast 7. I'd do either a 7WSM or 7LRM, but I'd twist it 8", in case Berger ever comes out with that 0.796 BC 195gr Hybrid they're promising. I'd run the 180 Hybrid in the mean time. If moving up beyond that, I'd go straight to a .50.
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I have always been fond of my .30-338 Win Mag.
The longer neck is nice when compared to a 300 Win Mag and velocities with lighter loads are very close.
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Looking to start picking up pieces for my next build. It will be used for further than 1000 and be my only big boomer. What would you choose to get to a mile without extreme barrel wear and without dropping 5 bucks a shot. I reload and am not afraid of a wildcat. Go!
Look at the .338 Edge +P on "youtube." Search for, ".338 Edge 2,751-yard shot." It uses a 300-grain Berger bullet launched over 3,300 fps at the muzzle. Here, I did the homework: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqCMfTZuWB8Can you imagine this rifle being fired with the "smart scope/software" technology? And here is some good read about the development of the .338 Edge +P: http://www.defensiveedge.net/index.php/338-edge-pNot sure where/who is getting 3,300fps with a 300gr SMK out of a 338 Edge +P, but Shawn Carlock didn't (looks like he stopped at 3,100fps). I think for 3,300fps using a 300gr SMK in .338 the chambering is going to have be something like a 338 Chey-Tac, Snipe-Tac or Allen Mag. You are right. It's not 3,300 fps, but 3,100 with the 300-grain Berger hybrid bullet.
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If you want to keep it lean and mean, 7WSM, 9 twist, 180 VLDs.
I'm with Shane here. If you're using a 6mm out to 1000 right now, then I'd step to a fast 7. I'd do either a 7WSM or 7LRM, but I'd twist it 8", in case Berger ever comes out with that 0.796 BC 195gr Hybrid they're promising. I'd run the 180 Hybrid in the mean time. If moving up beyond that, I'd go straight to a .50. A 7mm 195gr VLD would definitely take the 7mm to the next level, not that it is lagging now. 1/8 twist does make sense. Eventually I believe Berger will get to that 195.
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