Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Who Shut Down the Government? Thomas Sowell

Face it boys, you dun bought into the pharmaceutical and AMA lobby agenda. THEY are the ones to blame for the shutdown, as they engineered it with the help of their bought and paid-for politicians. Do you really think this legislation would be back around without the special interest money?

You guys can't be so duped that you reject the bona fide legislative process in favor of after-the-fact coercion funded by special interests in spite of the public interests.

"We won't fund the government unless you act in my favor for my personal wish list." What kind of process is that? Obama needs to review his healthcare bill but not under these circumstances.

The Israelis have a solution for a budget battle - automatic 1/12 of prior year budget every month if no new law is enacted. After six months, new elections for all legislative seats. They always get a budget.

No, but its a lot more accepted Constitutionally method than Obama's. The legislation to de-fund it is back around because "lobbies" of people like me have been telling those who will listen to de-fund it.

Special interests? Like delaying the employer mandate to 2015.
Like exempting Congress (in violation of the Grassley Amendment).
Allowing government employees a 75% subsidy.

The whole legislative process is and has been "I won't do this, unless" Sherlock...

And yet you have no problem with the acts of a dictator.

It's very right! The "previously passed legislation" you mention was changed 19 times, without Congressional approval, and AFTER the Supreme Court upheld it by the community organizer occupying the White House.

He is not a leader. He is an incompetent, spiteful, bully.

Has Obama changed the law since it was passed? Does he have that authority?

Yep, everyone duped except the enlightened liberals. Odd that you are so impressed with a group who had to lie, bully, and bribe to get their bill passed against the wishes of the American public in a late night session.

John McCain must be one of those enlightened liberals, as 20 other house republicans that want an up or down vote on a clean budget bill and have said they will vote for it. Boehmer is lying about there not being enough votes. It's a coercive tactic, and it's not right, nor is it acceptable to the PEOPLE who elected them. Congress is down to a 11% approval rating, obviously not part of the "lobbies of people" insisting on this subversive tactic.

You should read this article: Essay by a teacher in a black high school

Names?

You do realize the House is as close to the electorate both as ability to be coerced (shortness of term) and ability to correspond with?

Why is a budget being developed in the House (and they have submitted many), when the Senate is supposed to originate one and hasn't since Barry became President five and a half years ago?

The budget isn't "clean", if you're a stickler for lies and fraud. It contains changes to Obamacare that weren't part of its passing, amongst of which are non-legislative "edicts" that directly violate the Grassley Amendment, which are part of the law.

I'm sure you had a hard-on for Plessy v. Ferguson too, since your logic (and those silly quips by this regime) are so damn similar...

The bottom line is that no mandated budget (from a Dem Senate) has been passed so blame for periodic cries of shutdowns can be blamed on a minority opposition while a printing press takes wealth that doesn't exist from generations yet to be born.

Yet you still don't understand the "coercive tactic" of spending money we don't have to fund a government takeover of the medical industry with a law that has been altered by dictatorial fiat, not by passed legislation.

There are lies and damned lies....you wouldn't know one if they were hands rubbing your crotch.

Yep, democrats have never been very popular.

http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/10/11/letter-president/

The fact is that the majority of people are against ObamaCare. That Tyrant Obama and the progressives passed it against the will of the majority of the voters.

The House has the right to decide what to fund and what not to fund. They decided that it was a disaster and should not be funded.

If Tyrant Obama and the rest of his progressive fascist supporters had worked with the Republicans to create this bill it might have more support. They didn't. They chose to ram this bill through without the support of any Republican and this is the result.

Your insane if you think that the Republicans have to support this disaster when the all ran on the promise to defeat it.

What is a "clean" budget bill?

In groceries it would mean that we ask for $100 worth of groceries. You have to buy them to find out what's in the cart. I'm sure Mule and everone else buys groceries that way.

The historic way of deciding which things to buy and which things not to buy is a "dirty" bill apparently, in groceries or government. Obama wants congress to say, "I'll take several trillion dollars worth of government, and the President can decide what's in the package."

The reason the constitution gives the House responsibility for paying the bills is that they are closest in election cycle to the people: they have to answer for what they spend every two years. This congress is different from the one that passed Obamacare, and is doing its reponsibility to pick and choose what it pays for. A big reason the previous congress is not here is that they proposed to buy Obamacare, and the voters voted enough of them out to change their spending plan.

That is the way the constitution set it up to work. Comments otherwise are either ignorance or political agenda speaking.

This is a constitutional crisis that has been building for several years, especially as President Obama has ignored the constitution, trampled seperation of powers and usurped powers belonging to Congress. If it had not been budget it would be the same underlying crisis over something else. The implications are huge.