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I want a stainless 7mm-08 for hunting blacktail deer in the rugged mountains where I hunt. I'm real tough on rifles and watched my blued Vanguard .257 wby rot in front of my eyes during a torrential downpour while caught on a mountain a few weeks back. The two rifles I've been eyeballing of late are the Winchester model 70 Extreme Weather Stainless. http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=001C&mid=535110#centerThe other is the Remington 700 Mountain SS http://www.remington.com/en/products/firearms/centerfire/model-700/model-700-mountain-ss.aspxMy son has shot a 7-08 for a number of years now and I've borrowed it to kill a few bucks myself and am really smitten with the little gun. Though I've hunted all of my life, I humbly admit that I'm no rifle expert and know that many of you guys here are a treasure trove of knowledge. Not wanting to start a Ford/Chevy type of argument, just hoping for a few opinions that might steer me one way or the other. Thanks-
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The Extreme weathers are pretty sweet I would choose it over the Remington... O yeah and I like chevy!
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I don't know how you can go wrong with the Model 70. I believe they are making a great rifle right now. I have a fairly new Featherweight and it everything that I wanted it to be.
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Extreme Weather.
It will balance MUCH better than the Mountain Rifle, which will be really barrel light.
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Few Montana 7mm-08's floating around there at this time
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Had an EW in 308. Was a really nice rifle. I liked the blueprint and it fit me well. If I were looking for a 7-08, I would do the EW.
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man I am looking at the same option except.considering a featherweight also. I have owned a couple of mountain rifle which I have always liked but shooting sub moa has had issues with some and thats why I am considering a model 70
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M700 out of those two. i'd take a Kimber or M7/Edge over either though.
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EW. But rather a Sako. Thought about a Tikka T3?
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Neither. Stiller Predator action, Timney nickeled trigger, Mickey Edge stock, pick a custom barrel. Buy once, cry once, or you can [bleep] around and buy and trade one [bleep] factory rifle after another and then realize you could've done it right the first time for the same money you've blown.
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Kimber montana.
Or a Rem 700
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Don'tcha just love it when you ask an A OR B question and someone answers with C? I answered the exact same question with a Montana. pak
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I've had M700 Mtn Rifles, and have an M70 EW (308)... no comparison, I'd go with the 70.
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Of those two I'd likely take the M70.
How about a SS Howaguard in a decent stock?
Montana would be great as well.
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Of the two, I'd grab the EW Model 70.
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I've been looking at the same two rifles in 7mm-08! But not for blacktail, just as a spare/back-up, or rangetoy/practice rifle with higher mag scope, etc. Maybe something for "flat-land" hunting and not coast or dry canyons.
70 vs 700... I like the safety and CRF of the Win. But, the B&C on the EW seems blocky. Chunky? Thick? The EW I fondled felt like a 2x4, but it was a LA if that makes a diff. Have not laid hands on a 700 Mtn yet but it looks a little more trim in the pics, at least in the wrist. I don't care for the extractor or non-locking bolt on the 700, but most dudes don't seem to care.
I'm leaning towards the 70 Ult Shadow SS and getting a new stock from McM. Cost shouldn't be too much more, but no flutes. B&C just seems like a stop gap measure.
My blacktail rifle is a Kimber Montana 7-08. Actually its my everything rifle this year. Just spent the day in the coast mountains deer hunting. I love hunting blacktail in the coastrange and can't think of a better rifle than the 84M Monatana for hunting blacktail. Mine has a 6x42 with LRD and M1 for those clearcuts and hunts on the eastside of the mountains.
The 84M is a pleasure to carry in those rugged mountains. Before the Kimber, I was using a Tikka Super Light. That rifle felt light everywhere EXCEPT the coastal range. There, it felt heavy. I can honestly say the Montana is a joy to carry even compared to the SL. I spent the day hunting high mountain ridges where there are no roads and no other hunters. Normally I "hate" any rifle or handgun after a few steep ascents, or crawling up some gawd awful hillside with booby-traps in the ferns, etc. The Kimber is in a different league. I may use a different rifle for Eastern Oregon or "flatland" but I don't ever see using something else for coastal blacktail unless it handles better than the Montana. I sure as hell don't want heavier and clunky.
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Of the two, I'd grab the EW Model 70. Yep
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I would also chose the Mod 70 here but I would immediately replace that thick chunky B&C POS factory stock, I would also bet the model 70 will be the more accurate rifle here, the few new Mod 700 Mountain SS rifles I've been around weren't very good shooters, the thin whippy pencil barrels just aren't that accurate............Good luck............Hb
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I would also chose the Mod 70 here but I would immediately replace that thick chunky B&C POS factory stock, I would also bet the model 70 will be the more accurate rifle here, the few new Mod 700 Mountain SS rifles I've been around weren't very good shooters, the thin whippy pencil barrels just aren't that accurate............Good luck............Hb That's the problem, for a light weight you've got to replace the stock on both of the models in question. So you're spending 900+ and still getting a heavy stock. Or search wide and far and find a Remington Mountain Guide 7mm-08, but those are getting pretty rare. I've got one, but won't be parting with it. Forbes short actions might be shipping soon, might be something worth considering?
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I prefer the EW, have one in 308 in an Edge stock. Most people eventually replace the stock. If you think you'll do that then consider the Ultimate Shadow in SS. It will be essentially the same rifle without the barrel fluting and in a cheaper stock. It will be several hundred cheaper and you can put the savings toward an Edge stock. The Kimber is an option, but might be too light. Mine is right at 6 lbs scoped, the EW in the Edge stock 7.5. Those weights are scoped. I like and shoot both well, but the EW goes hunting more.
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