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Most interesting as how many President Bush defenders there are. All good facts about the statistics, job growth, economy, employment. there is a lot speculation on how things would be if a Democrat were prez. So how would things look if all we had was congress and the supreme court?
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It would look like 2/3 of my country...
If you take the time it takes, it takes less time.
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Martin brings up a very interesting point.
Canada paid down it's debt to at or near 25% of the government budget from historic highs.
And, as stated, it "gave the government more options with what to do with the rest"?
Umm... how about cutting taxes? You know, leave the money where it can do the most good?
Consider that the deficit has also increased BECAUSE taxes here were cut, thus limiting the amount of money going into the government. Same thing was done in the '80s, the economy boomed, the debt got paid down during the Clinton years due to the increased economy on the taxes set during the Reagan years... etc.
Now, paying down the deficit is good, yes. But, doing it so the government can keep the excess revenues and figure out what else to spend it on is (IMHO, ymmv) very, very, very bad.
Bullwnkl, I don't understand your last question. Would you mind rephrasing that one, please?
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Well, let's see----unemployment just dropped below 4.7%, near the minimum possible, according to economists. The Dow hovers above 11,000. The economy has boomed in the years since that Bush tax cut that was going to ruin the economy, despite 9/11, oil prices and hurricanes. Interest rates remain low, and inflation is non-existant. Over spending is still a problem, but on balance, you really can't complain about the economy, compared to any real-world standard. It is handily wiping the eye of all the major European countries, so we're doing something right.
Syria is out of Lebanon, Libya is out of the WMD business, Afghanistan is free of the most hateful bizarre ruling cult in recent memory, the Iraqis have three elections under their belt and are struggling to get their own security forces up and running. The antiwar media (who, you will recall, declared a quagmire at the first refueling stop on the way to Baghdad) have their panties in a knot, along with a democratic party heavily invested in failure---basically their only platform. And the president has 2.75 years to finish the job, which he will.
I would not be buying Iranian bonds right now, but other than that, the foreign scene is pretty good compared to the recent past. All those boogie men the press said were the end of the world turned out to be BS----standing up to the Chinese after they forced down our plane, ending the ABM treaty with Russia, calling evil by its right name---all things the mediacrats can't stand.
Where I would fault Bush is in two areas: immigration and deficits. What he said........
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Question rephrazed, if the office of the president was removed from the governmental equasion and we had only our current congress and supreme court what would our current situation as a nation be? No president to blame or praise for the state of the nation.
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Highly f'ked up.
There needs to be ONE voice in charge in a government in many situations.
Be that the President, King, or Prime Minister.
Remove that, and you get gridlock at times when gridlock is NOT desired. Think 1941. Think 1945. Think 9/12/01.
Nope, the system was designed by men FAR more brilliant than us to work and to work well with three branches of government of equal and limited power. The problem, part of it anyway, is the lack of balance of power, and the ever-decreasing limits on that power.
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When Harry Truman, considered one of the greatest presidents in U. S. history, left office his approval rating was only 22 percent. The Marshall Plan, which he strongly backed, and the Truman Doctrine, which established the nation�s containment policy of the Soviet Union, and other aspects of the Truman presidency, did not generate immediate approval, but had beneficial long-lasting influence.
President Bush�s final rating in history depends on those judicial appointments and the war on terror. There is reason to believe the long, slow and arduous war against Islamic fascism will ultimately be successful. If so, then President Bush�s current low ratings will be forgotten and his place in history will be secure.
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Well said, and a fine student of history you are, SU35. Amazing how much history is NOT known today, and how it really does repeat itself for those that won't learn from it...
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Congress has failed to act on illegal immigration for years and years. After all, congress is made up of individuals who are supposed to represent us. This current immigration problem falls squarely on congress and no particular president. They are all chicken $^&*$ for failing to act. Now it's crisis time and they are still wussing out. kwg
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From 1950-1953, 33,741 Americans were KIA in Korea.
Can you imagine if this casualty # had been Iraq in the same amount of time? Though cold, have we forgotten that this conflict still exists and that the NK's now have nuclear weapons and threaten our Pacifc borders. This one is not going away anytime soon.
Harry was a great president and so will George W.
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What if the media really was doing what it is supposed to be doing. Reporting the news, unbiased, factual, reporting. Polls would be different? Opinions would be different? Many people in this country have probably never heard of, or realize any of the positive things that Steve No pointed to have happened. How in the world does the President have a chance in these polls? With the Dems fighting everything tooth and nail ( nothing good can possibly be allowed to happen during a Republican admin. let alone the Bush admin. ) How can the President accomplish anything? That Steve No had anything positive to point to is amazing.
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Well, let's see----unemployment just dropped below 4.7%, near the minimum possible, according to economists. The Dow hovers above 11,000. The economy has boomed in the years since that Bush tax cut that was going to ruin the economy, despite 9/11, oil prices and hurricanes. Interest rates remain low, and inflation is non-existant. Over spending is still a problem, but on balance, you really can't complain about the economy, compared to any real-world standard. It is handily wiping the eye of all the major European countries, so we're doing something right.
Syria is out of Lebanon, Libya is out of the WMD business, Afghanistan is free of the most hateful bizarre ruling cult in recent memory, the Iraqis have three elections under their belt and are struggling to get their own security forces up and running. The antiwar media (who, you will recall, declared a quagmire at the first refueling stop on the way to Baghdad) have their panties in a knot, along with a democratic party heavily invested in failure---basically their only platform. And the president has 2.75 years to finish the job, which he will.
I would not be buying Iranian bonds right now, but other than that, the foreign scene is pretty good compared to the recent past. All those boogie men the press said were the end of the world turned out to be BS----standing up to the Chinese after they forced down our plane, ending the ABM treaty with Russia, calling evil by its right name---all things the mediacrats can't stand.
Where I would fault Bush is in two areas: immigration and deficits. I love reading a Fairy tale but stopped believeing them when I was SIX!!! 65% of this Country finally developed a Brain and wants the Sockpuppet out of Office. I voted for him ONCE and saw the error of my ways at the Next stop for Gasoline. One thing about it the Chinese and the Indians must be Democrats because they never used up all the Fuel until Bush took Office. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> The Republicans better start really Praying because they will need Jesus Christ on the ticket to win ANY future Elections. BTW the declining 35% that support Bush, I'm sorry to tell them there is no cure for being "Bushwhacked" and it is fatal to all remaining Brain cells you may possess. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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As usual, no refutation of facts with anything other than diatribe and infantile ranting.
Steve stated facts, verifiable and proven. Can you discount them, and if so how and with what evidence and proof?
Don't you have another forum to post this rubbish on? Seems I recently read almost exactly this same whining elsewhere...
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The 30% approval rating sounds about right if you were to take and poll just the democrats and factor in the fact that that would be about the number of Democraps who have no use whatsoever for their Anti Everything Platform and voted for another Party including Bush.
Funny thing is in the Forty five Plus Years since I've been old enough to vote, in my opinion the Democraps haven't had a Presidential Candidate in the November Elections I could vote for and as far as a Third Party Canidate is concerned that's a joke as a vote for one was a vote for the Democraps. I learned that with the whole Ross Perrot escapade as it gave us "ole Slick Willie!"
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Inspector,
What do you think that YOUR approval rating would
be if we took it on the Campfire?
My guess that it would be single digit...Cause most
members are nice folks...
Bart
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If the Inspector is a typical anti-Bushie, I'm sure glad I aren't one. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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Steve_NO, check your PMs.
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Where does a guy sign up for the Steve-No Fan Club?
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VAnimrod,
Just a couple of points, deficits and debt are two different things, debt is not necessarily bad, funding infrastructure items over the projected life is probably good tax policy. Consistent Deficits are bad, when we eliminated our deficit in the early 90's it did give our govt way more options on how to spend our money, including significant tax cuts we did get over the last decade, not enough for some but they did happen. Mostly it freed the govt from depending on foreign markets to raise the funds it needs to operate.
Annual opertational deficits are not sustainable, even for the world's largest economy, sooner or later the interest on the debt will consume the entire budget. Interest on our debt is now around 10% of our budget down from over 25% in the early 90's. Those funds can be returned to us in the form of tax cuts(which a portion has), different spending iniatives, health care, highways, whatever. The point is we are Canadians are making those decisions, we weren't in the early 90's, life is better her as a result.
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Excellent points, and I concur.
Now, can we get our boneheads to do similarly?
I have my guess...
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