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That is the issue right there! When you have this "Truth Test" to be a conservative with only "us or them" mind set....Well you isolate most who might support you. The "Us against the world" is a dead end. Support who you want but very few candidates have all of the same qualities as each voter so you choose from the ones that have the most.

my jaundiced viewpoint is that the front runners of both parties represent the status quo.

others feel like the status quo needs fixing.

who'll win? it won't matter if any of the front runners win from either party. that leaves at least a few of us chit out of luck.

Concise, clear, and to the point.

The democrats fall in line and vote for what ever cretin gets the nomination. Their values and standards appear to be minimal. The republicans will also do the same thing. Having an R behind your name is all that is required to get another republican's vote.

However, the Conservatives, those people with strict values and standards will only vote for those who meet their values and standards. There is NO flexibility. Being a Conservative and being a Republican are NOT the same thing. That is why the democrats always come out the winner. kwg

Gus:

Spot on.

You have to realize that when wing of a 1 party comes up with a "radical fix" like the Tea Party would like to do you run the risk of killing any meaningful change and killing your over all chances of winning national elections, thus becoming 100% counter productive.

Gus, you found your meds!!

kwg

when the rank and file picked the candidate, we won twice in a row with Bush.
When we let the left wing media pick the candidate, we lost consecutively with McCain and Romney.
See a pattern here?

I'll sit out the election in 2016, if Cristie is the candidate.

There is NO flexibility. Being a Conservative and being a Republican are NOT the same thing. That is why the democrats always come out the winner. kwg

You have just hit on why the conservative movement has no chance of being successful. Our entire system is built upon on that dirty word, compromise. If there is only a single set of correct points of vier it would be a Dictatorship or a Monarchy. Is that what you are proposing?

It is extremely elitist to believe your values and points of view are more important than anyone else. You can see that can't you?

You mean like Oberry?

I won't sit out the election and neither should you. There are always many other issues on the ballot, but now, I won't pull a lever for that lard-ass either. That's a promise.

Obviously they don't see the pattern Sam, as obvious as it is. Destroy any conservative candidate and make sure a loser is propped up as being "electable". It's worked out pretty well for them too.

That's where the new civil war has to come from but we must also realize that probably only a third of the states will support such a move.

If I work and pay taxes to foot the bill of the military, .gov, and welfare Dimocraps it's not elitist to realize I benefit the country rather drain it.

well yeah. anybody with one eye and half-sense knows that already. we're close to entering the point of having more consumers of gov't wealth than producers of tax revenue. that would be a very dangerous area to be in, for the rich or the poor, the producers and the consumers.

no doubt we've got plenty of users of gov't largesse. perhaps the workers just aren't working hard enough?

Let's face it. Neither Republican, nor Democrat, Politicians want conservatives to vote. It payes the same whether they're in the majority or minority. When somebody like Cruz, Lee, Paul etc, slip though the cracks it just makes them all look bad.

True

So let me get this straight....Anyone who pays taxes has the right to elitist and insist that their point of view is the only one that counts?

Everyone pays some kind of tax. Sales, payroll or gas tax thus we all should assume that only our point of view is worthy? We are talking about 313,000,000 people!

We have chosen to liv in a country where we all have an = say. It must be time for you to move to Cuba!

It take two sides to work a real compromise. What we have had is one side in the driver�s seat dictating to the passenger side.

Thanks to the Obama disaster, the tables have turned.
Tea Party grew out of ObamaCare. That and the whole Obama Agenda that is really starting to hurt voter pocketbooks is pushing the Tea Party into the drivers seat.

11/11/13
On Breitbart News Sunday on Sirius XM Patriot channel 125, veterans who are involved in the Tea Party movement joined Breitbart News Executive Chairman and host Stephen K. Bannon to discuss why they joined the movement to fight for the country at home after serving abroad.

Christian Stevens, an Army veteran, said he often sees the same people at VFW and Tea Party meetings, and he emphasized that he took an oath to "protect against all enemies foreign and domestic--and Tea party is doing the domestic side."
Mark Herr, an Air Force veteran, is involved in the Center for Self-Governance and the Mid-South Tea Party movement, and he told Bannon that he never understood the oath to the people of America until after he joined the military. He said there is a "sense of obligation to stand up and defend the republic so that the next generation can enjoy the freedom and liberties brought to us by the Founding Fathers."
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Lt. Colonel Rick Moreland, an Army veteran, also said that when veterans are asked to be acknowledged at Tea Party organizations or meetings, "you see a heavy representation."
"In my training, the Constitution that we were sworn to defend is what the Tea Party is about," he said before emphasizing that the Tea Party is about reducing the government to a "size that is within the Constitution."

Kurt Potter, an Army veteran, said he was inspired to be involved in the Tea Party movement after listening to Rick Santelli's rant on the floor of Wall Street in 2009, which he said motivated him to become more politically active and put "more skin in the game."

Talking about the future of the Tea Party movement, Moreland said the Tea Party has already in four years become "much more tech-savvy and much more effective in ways others than a street protest organization. They will continue to establish itself, probably on a high-tech plane."

Potter said though the Tea Party has been criticized for being nativists, racists, and homophobes, he "doesn't care about" those criticisms and portrayals because they are not accurate. He said Americans who have died abroad "didn't lay down their lives so people can enjoy barbecue" at home, "but so that people can stand up and fight for liberty in their own country."

He said there will always be that fight for liberty and emphasized that "we are responsible for our own destiny."

Moreland agreed, emphasizing one of those liberties is being "able to speak free." He said "freedom of speech" has to be defended, and it goes both ways. He said the Tea Party movement has a right to "say we want the government controlled by the Constitution" as much as Americans have a right to hurl invective at the movement.

The veterans all agreed that once the Tea Party better learns and grasps the political process, they will see the movement from a "self-governance" perspective and will not want to be controlled by established political parties.

Naturally he's not a conservative. He's a leftist douche.

Our gun rights can be just as easily assaulted by the "mental health" approach as by direct gun control. That's how the Soviets and the commie Chinese put political opposition in the gulags. No trick to disarm political opposition by that method. And by political opposition I mean folks who support constitutional government, free markets, the rule of law, etc. They will declare those the marks of dangerous mental illness. They've nearly done so as we speak.