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Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
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I'm worried about that 48% numbers of morons that keeps going up. Here's the bottom line: Obama, a known and confirmed self-admitted leftist/marxist was elected president..TWICE. With that kind of electorate I am not hopeful..


Obama's election was not nearly as much of a march to the Left by society as many think. The combination of hate Bush, bad economy, war, and poor world opinion of us coupled with the usual itch for change that the electorate gets after 8 or so years with the same party AND the race thing made 2008 impossible for Obama to LOSE.

Get a Conservative with some charisma and a positivie message, and he/she wins.




Works every time it�s tried.


No it doesn't or Ron Paul would be president. No real conservative could ever win the presidency because no real conservative would ever go to war or play Santa Claus.


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Charles is a smart man but I'm not so sure he's right on this one. Our liberal population is what concerns me more, after all, they are the one's putting these liberal clowns into office.

How do we convince liberal America that being a conservative isn't a disease when the MSM has them convinced that it is?


I did not have time to peruse this entire subject, as I need to get going, so I apologize if I am repeating here. I used to think Charles was exceptionally bright and perceptive. That thought is now in question with me. Around two weeks ago I saw him state that he did not know who Obama was until 5 weeks after the election. In my mind, anyone that vetted Obummer properly, could plainly assess who he was by the company that he kept. Sort of makes me think less of CK's intellect.


Sir Charles is a bright psychiatrist but a dim light bulb in the political arena.


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Bowsinger, do you really believe that the American people are suddenly growing a spine and will give up socialism i.e. the Santa Claus affect? Come on people, the American people aren't going to suddenly become self-reliant rugged individualists.

Neither liberalism nor ObamaCare is going away anytime soon.

I think some of you guys especially you Bowsinger have your tin foil hats on too tight and are over doing the pot vaporizer.

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Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Them Dem Rats are abandoning ship�

Charles Krauthammer is right:
�We have not just Obamacare unraveling, not just the Obama administration unraveling, not just the Democratic majority of the Senate [unraveling], but we could be looking at the collapse of American liberalism�

Kirsten Powers is a hardcore Clinton Democrat and �was� a big supporter of ObamaCare.

Kirsten Powers: White House Lying About Why My Premiums Doubled
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"My blood pressure goes up every time they say that they're protecting us from substandard health insurance plans, because there is nothing to support what they're saying.

I have talked about how I am losing my health insurance... if I want to keep the same health insurance, it's going to cost twice as much.

There's nothing substandard about my plan.
All of the things they say that are not in my plan are in my plan, all of the things they have listed.
There's no explanation for the doubling of my premiums other than the fact that it's subsidizing other people."

They need to be honest about that, that that's the reason they don't want to change it.
It's because they're basically taking the people who are responsible enough to get health insurance in the individual market and asking them to subsidize other people.

So they're taking young healthy people and asking them to subsidize other people.
I don't think that's going to last, frankly.
I think they're trying to buy time until they think they're going to reach this next deadline.

And I don't think they're going to reach it, and when they don't reach it..."


That's what she gets for being a liberal and towing the party line. Shut up and enjoy your new health care Kirsten!


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Originally Posted by AkMtnHntr
Originally Posted by BOWSINGER
Them Dem Rats are abandoning ship�

Charles Krauthammer is right:
�We have not just Obamacare unraveling, not just the Obama administration unraveling, not just the Democratic majority of the Senate [unraveling], but we could be looking at the collapse of American liberalism�

Kirsten Powers is a hardcore Clinton Democrat and �was� a big supporter of ObamaCare.

Kirsten Powers: White House Lying About Why My Premiums Doubled
Breitbart News: Breitbart TV
http://www.breitbart.com/breitbart-tv
11/13/13

"My blood pressure goes up every time they say that they're protecting us from substandard health insurance plans, because there is nothing to support what they're saying.

I have talked about how I am losing my health insurance... if I want to keep the same health insurance, it's going to cost twice as much.

There's nothing substandard about my plan.
All of the things they say that are not in my plan are in my plan, all of the things they have listed.
There's no explanation for the doubling of my premiums other than the fact that it's subsidizing other people."

They need to be honest about that, that that's the reason they don't want to change it.
It's because they're basically taking the people who are responsible enough to get health insurance in the individual market and asking them to subsidize other people.

So they're taking young healthy people and asking them to subsidize other people.
I don't think that's going to last, frankly.
I think they're trying to buy time until they think they're going to reach this next deadline.

And I don't think they're going to reach it, and when they don't reach it..."


That's what she gets for being a liberal and towing the party line. Shut up and enjoy your new health care Kirsten!


She's still a liberal and will continue to tow the party line she will just now require the government give universal single payer health care at no expense to her.


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Originally Posted by derby_dude
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Originally Posted by hatari


Obama's election was not nearly as much of a march to the Left by society as many think. The combination of hate Bush, bad economy, war, and poor world opinion of us coupled with the usual itch for change that the electorate gets after 8 or so years with the same party AND the race thing made 2008 impossible for Obama to LOSE.

Get a Conservative with some charisma and a positivie message, and he/she wins.




Works every time it�s tried.


No it doesn't or Ron Paul would be president. No real conservative could ever win the presidency because no real conservative would ever go to war or play Santa Claus.





Ron Paul and his negative libertarian message was neither charismatic nor a Conservative.
190 delegate votes in 2012.

Ron Reagan was a real Conservative with tons of charisma and a positive message.
1980 Reagan 489 Carter 49
1984 Reagan 525 Mondale 13

Read them numbers�sonny�all time records�never been beaten�


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Ron Reagan was charismatic, but he wasn't very conservative to my way of thinking.

i.e. he ran up a huge deficit, maybe there was some method to his madness as it bankrupted the USSR


but it seems he set a precedent and now it's dang near our turn to be bankrupted by that same deficit spending!


I'm pretty certain when we sing our anthem and mention the land of the free, the original intent didn't mean cell phones, food stamps and birth control.
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Originally Posted by 2legit2quit
Ron Reagan was charismatic, but he wasn't very conservative to my way of thinking.

i.e. he ran up a huge deficit, maybe there was some method to his madness as it bankrupted the USSR


but it seems he set a precedent and now it's dang near our turn to be bankrupted by that same deficit spending!


My sentiment exactly. Reagan was a conservative Democrat which means he was a Social Democrat. This the problem with Republican Party today to damn many Social Democrats from the Democrat Party trying to pass themselves off as conservatives in the Republican Party.


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Originally Posted by 2legit2quit
Ron Reagan was charismatic, but he wasn't very conservative to my way of thinking.

i.e. he ran up a huge deficit, maybe there was some method to his madness as it bankrupted the USSR



Bullschidt. CONGRESS, the House in particular, spends/appropriates money. For Reagan to be able to unphuck what Nixon, Ford, and Carter had done to the US military and to actually make an effort to contain Soviet expansionism, he had to sign off on a lot of libtard spending follies. That is the way the game is played and blaming Reagan for it belies ignorance of reality.

If there is one azzwipe to hang all the spending of the 80's on, it'd be Tip O'Neil.

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The President is the Head of Government, it's his responsibility to run the government. Like Truman said, "The Buck Stops Here." I'm so sick and tired of presidents saying it's not my fault it's the other guys fault. It's the President's fault good or bad because he is the Head of Government and the Head of State.


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The President is the Head of Government, it's his responsibility to run the government. Like Truman said, "The Buck Stops Here." I'm so sick and tired of presidents saying it's not my fault it's the other guys fault. It's the President's fault good or bad because he is the Head of Government and the Head of State.

there are three separate branch of the U.S. Government. Prez is head of the executive branch, not the legislative or judiciary. Or at least that's the way it use to work.


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This a big f**king deal!

I don�t see the funeral yet, but Sir Charles and Joe Biden are both right for completely different reasons about the size for this thing.

I will settle for a repeat of the 2010 Conservative Landslide next year and a repeat of the 1980 Landslide two years later.


By JOSE DELREAL | 11/13/13
Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer sees �the collapse of American liberalism� in sight, in no small part because of the troubled rollout of the Affordable Care Act.

We have not just Obamacare unraveling, not just the Obama administration unraveling, not just the Democratic majority of the Senate [unraveling], but we could be looking at the collapse of American liberalism,� Krauthammer told Bill O�Reilly Tuesday. �Obamacare is the big thing for them. The biggest in a hundred years.�

Krauthammer addressed tensions and tactical disagreements within the Republican Party � particularly related to the government shutdown in October � and said he believes this is an important opportunity for conservatives to unite.

�This is a moment where we have to be calm.
We have to understand what holds us together on the right.
We have to watch and explain why the failure of the left is happening.

And if we do that, we will win,� he said.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/...macare-liberals-99785.html#ixzz2kXbPmtJm


Krauthammer is supposed to one smart guy but I've never been impressed. To me he is as bright as a burnt out light bulb. He might be a great psychiatrist but he isn't to bright in the philosophy department.

The death of liberalism right.

I guess that's why he he gets the national press, and t.v. coverage because he is as bright as a burnt out light bulb, same with philosophy department. When can we expect you on Fox news?


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I don't always agree with Charles, but I always listen and consider what he has to say. He is actually an amazing human being.

I only hope he is dead on with this issue.


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I'm starting to think Charles might be onto something. I'd be pleased if I were wrong in my initial post in this thread.


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Originally Posted by 2legit2quit
Ron Reagan was charismatic, but he wasn't very conservative to my way of thinking.

i.e. he ran up a huge deficit, maybe there was some method to his madness as it bankrupted the USSR


but it seems he set a precedent and now it's dang near our turn to be bankrupted by that same deficit spending!





What Reagan might have accomplished about his budgets and reducing spending to go along with his growth producing tax cuts if he would have been working with someone like Newt instead of Tipp O�Neil boggles the mind.

Reagan was facing the highest prime interest rate since the Civil war; 21.5 percent, a top tax rare of 70 percent, double digit inflation and high unemployment.

So he came into office with three clear mandates from the voters:
1. Cut income taxes from top to bottom and get the country moving again
2. Restore the U.S. military to Number One in the world.
3. Cut the size of the federal government for the first time since the New Deal.


Too bad the democratic Congress with the help from some of those we now call RINOs, had other ideas.

Reagan got the first two out of the three�


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Originally Posted by RoninPhx
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The President is the Head of Government, it's his responsibility to run the government. Like Truman said, "The Buck Stops Here." I'm so sick and tired of presidents saying it's not my fault it's the other guys fault. It's the President's fault good or bad because he is the Head of Government and the Head of State.

there are three separate branch of the U.S. Government. Prez is head of the executive branch, not the legislative or judiciary. Or at least that's the way it use to work.


I'm well aware that there are three branches of government but the president is still the Head of Government. Think of him as the prime minster. Like the prime minster who heads the cabinet of minsters in a parliamentary system of government and runs the government, the president heads the cabinet of secretaries in an executive system of government and runs the government.


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I think the death of liberalism, is premature but the stage has been set for a significant loss in the 2014 midterms. Americans need to feel more economic pain to wake them up from their drunken socialist stupor. The ACA has tentacles that run deep into the structure of family security and economic reality. The president is incapable of perceiving the hornets nest he has kicked over so far - individual health insurance contracts.
If left unchanged, the rest of health insurance,upwards of 80%, paid for by employer plans is yet to face the ACA ax.
That, if left unchanged by our dictator in chief will be the final straw - that begins the death of liberalism.


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THIS!!!


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